Another Pointless Post aka Umm Adam Speaks Out Against Her Haters

I am not mad at anyone for being honest with me in the last post. I wish that this was known without having to be said. Those who know me personally would know this. I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
I asked because, not only with that brother’s comments towards me, but in general I have noticed a disturbing trend of double standards when it comes to adherent Muslims. It seems as though, when speaking of tolerance, liberals actually mean that they want everyone to tolerate them and their ideals. However, if you oppose them and have different views they don’t have to tolerate you or have to show you even the tiniest amount of respect.
There was another comment the brother made later (in reference to this same discussion), that was a prime example. He said,
EVERYONE, from all communities need to take a stand and silence the extremists. That will be the only way to end the bloodshed and misery in places like Gaza.
As a Muslim I feel a duty to speak against the extremists and remind the world that they do not speak for Islam, they dont speak for God, that these people speak only for themselves and the others who would twist their religions.
I found that to be EXTREMELY extreme, dangerous, and hypocritical. For one, he had just personally labeled me an extremist. Then to compare me with the crisis in Gaza! If anyone follows that blog they will know that I don’t personally attack nor do I condemn or call people to my personal opinion. I do know how to get along with people who have different views. It’s not my way or the highway, but like he said that as a Muslim he feels it is a duty to speak out, so do I. The difference is that when I speak out I quote Islamic sources (Quran and Sunnah). Whereas, when he speaks out he mocks and ridicules those who quote Islamic sources. He accuses of us being unintelligent wanna be Arab idiots. He makes broad generalizations and lumps everybody in one boat. How fair is that? Who should this animosity really be to?
He even told me once that all I do is cut and paste. If that is all I do than it seems to me that the problem that he has is not what I say, it’s with what Allah and His Messenger has said.
I did not ask your opinions because I was concerned about being an extremist. I’m pretty confident that I am not. I found interesting that many people related being strict or conservative with being extreme when they are totally different. It’s funny because I personally feel that I do fall somewhere in the middle and that I am the ‘Moderate’ Muslim. I get criticised by people much more conservative and sticker than I and I don’t consider them extreme, unless they have deviated in any way.
It’s also interesting that he and another male Muslim (well Saudi have no idea what religion he claims to belong to) commentator on that blog, who are in support of women’s rights and ‘liberating’ women – would choose to show such disrespect to me and another woman who was not the ‘Islam bashing’ women that they prefer to side with. Why the double standard? Why when a woman is passionate and vocal about her religion is she now seen as a threat? Are the only Muslim women who have rights, the ones who want to shed the veil as it was suggested? Who want to intermingle with men? Who would rather try and intellectualize the religion and call others to do what they want and still call it Islam? Who prefer to keep their Islamic identity between them and their Lord – leaving nothing – word, action. nor appearance as indicators of their faith?
Or maybe it’s OK to be tolerated if you are the jilted and heartbroken, non-Muslim, ex plaything of an Arab Muslim – who has decided to study Islam, Arab Culture, and Arabic - out of vengeance, scorn, anger, and the desire crush Muslims/Islam as she was. Surely, this type of person has more right than the Muslim who wants to defend her faith out of love for her Lord, to insult and make derogatory comments about Muslims who clarify matters of their religion that their “dear friend” may have misconveyed. If that is the criteria I’m so glad that I’m not a part of such a wicked “little coven”.
I just found it all very eye opening. I was not hurt by his comments, because I’ve seen him rant and rave all over the Internet for years. I also recognized how he projected many of his characteristics on to those whom he views as extremist. It’s really quiet easy to psycho analyze this type of behavior (usually a cause of some deep seated hurt that man who – was created weak and emotional can not handle and instead of seeking refuge in Allah and trusting in Allah they think they are hiding their anger and displeasure in what Allah has decreed for them by hurling insults at the servants of Allah who call others to worship Him as He aught to be worshipped. Add that with some bipolar traits and voila!). It’s beyond childish – but he started it!
I will now – insha’Allah – go back to ignoring the haters, as I usually do (I normally stick to defending a position and don’t make it pesonal). However, some people were baiting and begging for attention. Thought I’d give them some fodder.
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January 15, 2009 at 2:55 am
I personally thought an extremist was like a suicide bomber or something, I dont know why muslims equate people who take their deen seriously as an extremist… in that case, I am an extremist but why the heck would a Muslim say that about another Muslim? Especially these days when we are calling for a united Ummah and a return to the deen so people wake up and do something about the crap occuring TO THE MUSLIMS… really is it worth our time to be equating serious muslims with extremism in the same way the American government is doing?
January 15, 2009 at 3:12 am
You are right Umm travis. there is no justifable reason to call a Muslim who has not transgressed Allah’s limit an extremist. As derogatory as the name is used I would rather reclaim ‘fundamentalist’ or ‘purist’ instead of being slandered and called an extremist.
sad that trying to do good and stay away from bad would warrant such absudities.
January 15, 2009 at 3:16 am
It has been very eye opening for me as well as these issues are ones I have only theortically read about via Islam as well as academically.
Academically/rhetorically this is called a Straw man attack:
” A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “set up a straw man,” one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent’s actual view, yet is easier to refute. Then, one attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent’s position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent’s actual argument has not been refuted.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Example: I say “I don’t think it’s funny to joke about being thankful to God.” Then someone attacks me by saying “You are an extremist.” And therefore the underlying message is that my opinion is worthless and it is funny to joke about being thankful to God.
Really it is fairly worthless to engage with people who use this method of attack, other than to at least attempt to educate them and defend myself if I feel like it. As you can see, it does have a way of distracting people from the issue at hand and unfortunately, since it is a tactic widely used in the media and amongst politicians, it is becoming very commonplace in the most of mundane exchanges. Subhanallah.
I like constructive critism too–whatcha got for me?
January 15, 2009 at 3:44 am
Brooke, lemme get this straight. so basically what you saying is that this is some type of “pscho-counterintelligence scheme ” – sah?
Like in the following:
I Say : Praising Allah should be main speak for all the Muslims. It’s not exclusive for Saudis and certainly not just for muttawa.
Straw man’s “pscho-counterintelligence scheme ” approach:
…The problem is, as we have seen here, is that some people confuse religious terms with the extent of someone’s piousness.
…Western converts often confuse their usage with the religiousity of the person saying it.
…we are correctly pointing out that using words like “Masha’Allah, Alhamdulillah” and others mean absolutely NOTHING when determining whether someone is religious, who religious they are, or even what religion they are.
…Although I speak Arabic, this conversation was in English, and this Christian Arab went out of his way to use these words in Arabic.
I think he’d be dismayed to know that some people think this makes him a Muslim.
…I expect ignorance from Westerners who havent been around Muslims or Arabs, but still get surprised when I see the same type of ignorance coming from Muslims and those who have been around Arabs.
Much of this self imposed ignorance on these people’s part has everything to do with a convert’s extremism, and a delusion about how they WISH things were compared to reality.
In many cases I have found these people live in a world that doesnt exist, or one they have very carefully constructed for themselves.
I think you are on to something. So where shall our “witch hunt” take them? Insane asylum aka “loony bin” (my theory) or get em on conspiracy charges (Strawman’s “pscho-counterintelligence scheme ” argument)?
Bring it on!
January 15, 2009 at 4:41 am
Why are you trying to make me reread all of that? Yes, you got it–even before I named it. When you said something about acting emotional like a woman I was ROFL! Anyhoo. Yes, the Straw man fallacy appeals to people’s emotions because it is full of emotionally charged words and points–who likes to be called an extremist? Who is afraid of extremism? That is an emotionally charged word and concept.
I am catch-phrase hog.
The attack is IRRATIONAL and as you can see, people who already seemed to be “touched” really fall for it. I ain’t makin this up–there are whole fields of study on this stuff.
I am so disappointed that someone else got to use psycho-counter intelligence scheme before me
I’m not touching the witch stuffs with a twenty foot broom stick.
January 15, 2009 at 4:53 am
Yes, Brooke – but those quotes were not just about hyping people up post 911 Bush style with the extremist crap. If you YES REREAD what I quoted you will see that he said what I said but made it look as if I said something else. The whole thing started cuz all i said was that saying “alhamduillah” was what any Muslim would say not just Saudi and not just religious. He then when on some psychopathic paranoid skitzo diatribe about extreme coverts thinking that saying “alhamduillah” proves how pious you are. That’s just retarded!
January 15, 2009 at 5:23 am
I see you haven’t joined the facebook group about stopping using the word retard…(Nzingah!) I’m working on dropping it, inshallah.
Now I will say that non-Muslim immigrants and non-Muslim African Americans ARE far more socially accepting of me/hijabis than other kinds of Americans. And that is a huge generalization, but it is my personal experience.
Yeah, that is the projection stuff you were talking about AND the straw man. That was why I asked what does he say when he dhikrs? Any “practicing Muslim” will use those words as well as any “cultural Muslim.” That was my point–if someone said I was using Alhumdiallah culturally instead of sincerely I would be pissed off-not amused. Another sister made a comment offline about how Muslims who use it culturally and in inappropriate settings, have had it deeply ingrained in them from childhood and then she said some eloquent stuff I ferget! lol. Yeah dat’s right, I was privately discussing an online PUBLIC posting. I think Carol did clarify all that, but the initial post was NOT clear.
That wishing for an idealized Islamic state thing may be relevant to some Muslims, especially new ones, but no–I do not see that in your posts or comments.
ALSO, I thought the thing about hanging with all types of people was an interesting attack. See, I see that you do associate with different types of people via the web. They come back here and comment from comments you leave on their blogs. Now you and I both know that “all different types of people” would not find you-an african american, niqabi or even just hijabi woman as approachable as an average-looking white american man. Before I hijabed I was very approachable–even when I TOLD people that I was Muslim. Once I started covering and LOOKED Muslim though, the other mommies on the playground wouldn’t talk to me anymore
“I think he’d be dismayed to know that some people think this makes him a Muslim.” Not if he lives in America.
January 15, 2009 at 3:23 pm
This is the reason why i asked you previously why does it matter to know what others think of his comments. You have your own opinion anyway and anyone who doesnt agree with you is not as religious as you, they do not back their opinions with hadiths/quran, they are haters. If he called you an extremist and felt demonised then you let others respond by calling others they dont agree with as ignorant, hypocrites, rejectors etc.
January 15, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Subhannallah. Here is somebody from a different perspective, but saying the same thing about the pscho-counterintelligence scheme of brothers (well, a specific brother)trying to shut sisters up (especially when they call a brother out).
Muslim Women’s Voices – And the People Who Object to Them
Posted on February 17, 2007 by apostate
“Abu Sinan, an American convert to Islam, tells Queen Rania of Jordan to shut up and go away because she’s expressing an opinion about Islam that he doesn’t agree with.”
http://apostate.wordpress.com/2007/02/17/muslim-womens-voices-and-the-people-who-object-to-them/
I think I’ll shut up now.
January 16, 2009 at 2:39 am
Have you read Abu Sinan’s entry Brooke? He doesnt think Queen Rania should be giving out fatwa because she is not a scholar and she should cover up. What is it you disagree with on those two points? You post a link here from an apostate but on Bedu’s blog you scrutinise her every words checking whether its islamic or not. I dont even know what terms you googled on Abu Sinan to end up on that blog, stop trying to find a dirt on others and get a life woman.
January 16, 2009 at 6:16 am
@ Laila: Where is the entry that he wrote? The link in the blog article doesn’t exist (Abu Sinan deleted his old blog).
January 16, 2009 at 6:32 am
wow, i think you need to refresh yourself regarding what our prophet pbuh said about backbiting, i will not post the hadeeth, you are bright enough to do the search, maybe write a blog,this is sooo bad
January 16, 2009 at 7:14 am
@Safiyya-The plot thickens…
@Asim-You are absolutley right and I am doing so immediately, inshallah. Though since you say “this is sooo bad” you should minimally support that.
January 16, 2009 at 8:08 am
Salaams Umm Adam:
Off topic: did you see this blog?
http://blackchickinsaudi.blogspot.com/
January 16, 2009 at 8:12 am
Salaams Umm Adam:
Oh sorry … erase that comment!
January 16, 2009 at 8:27 am
Asim et al: I did my reading, alhumdiallah. I suggest refresher readings regarding: Praising Allah, Slander, Lying, Suspicion, Hizbiyah, Rejecting the Sunnah (hadith specifically), and name-calling. No particular order.
January 16, 2009 at 11:25 pm
BIsmillaah
Assalaamu Alaikum!
Rarrrr!!!!
Ladies, you should not write comments on blogs when you are having your period.
January 16, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Umm Adam I read all three blogs and I have been taking score. You said on AmericanBedu’s blog that you do not read Abu Sinan’s blog. I thought it was only fair that I copy the comments made by him and others here, because even before you stooped to an all time low on Bedu’s blog by quoting that kafir Al Capone – he, his wife (Manal) and their supporters had already said much worse things about you (lies) than you said about him.
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Anonymous said…
Abu Sinan,
The perfect response to all that has been said abot you and your ideals over the net (Bedu’s blog)
Thank you for being the mature one…
January 15, 2009 3:50 AM
Faisal said…
I followed over here from Ummadam’s site.
Your comments were right on time. This many dead Muslims and she has only time to attack you?
January 15, 2009 8:57 AM
Manal said…
I was just telling my husband last night, that I can’t even get myself to post anything really. There is nothing there except the images of dying innocent civilians in my mind and the catastrophe that is going on in Palestine. May Allah have mercy on their souls and may Allah end this even if it means the end of this dreadful world as well!!!:(
And then you have this woman writing ridiculous, worthless and completely empty posts when she could be at least mentioning something about Gaza, in the here and now????
Let me tell you something. People like this lady feed off of this online blogging. It is their life. They have nothing else that is worthwhile other than sit behind the computer and type away. People like this will devote their time and energy online because online has become their life period. They develop so-called “friends” online and many other odd relationships.
I am a stay at home mom, I don’t have a lot of time on my hands but I do have some time to devote online to at least write a post a day and I don’t even do that. Why? Because thankfully to God, I have a very productive life in which I am extremely busy even if my kids are not at home and Alhamdulillah, I also have my priorities set straight.
Time and time again, I am noticing more and more bloggers are really taking this blogging thing to an EXTREME level when it should be a leisure-type experience. They took the fun out of something that is supposed to be sooooooooooooo innocent and pleasurable!!
But, I also should say and commend that there are several worthwhile blogs completely devoted to doing good and have become more sites of awareness really than I would call a “blog” per say.
Oh well, to each their own, I guess……..(now watch me get attacked……LOL!!!)
January 15, 2009 9:41 AM
Anonymous said…
Manal,
I have been reading your site for sometime. I wish you would find more time to blog but I understand why you dont.
Having looked at this lady’s site, it would seem she is almost obsessed by your husband. Two posts and much time wasted online?
Surely it is time wasted when there are more important things to do in life, or even more important things to blog about.
Ah well, ghetto is as ghetto does. Her blog looks like some sort of semi Islamic Jerry Springer show.
January 15, 2009 9:50 AM
brookeakaummbadier said…
Abu Sinan-
Just to set the facts straight, as in digitally recorded and posted to the online world facts, Ummadam did an “obligatory Gaza” post nearly two weeks ago. I say “obligatory” because I have seen other bloggers use that term as referring to the pressure of people demanding they write a Gaza post. Chronologically speaking here, just facts–you did yours last night. She did hers long before any of this drivel and right after a couple weeks hosting and co-hosting interfaith dialogs on her blog–yet you STILL villainize her. Rich. And you are USING the oppression, destruction, torture, human rights violations, etc of children in Gaza to do so. Makes you look good, eh?
Love and Peace,
~Brooke
January 15, 2009 12:41 PM
أبو سنان said…
Brooke,
I am sure Umm Adam needs you to help protect her.
I see you refuse to acknowledge how weird it is that she writes two complete posts on her blog about me and then invites her readers to boost her self esteem. She is a bit over the top and looks like she is obsessed. I am sure with her sham psych degree she can figure it out.
Let me make it clear, you are NOT welcome on this blog. You and yours do nothing but spread arguing, fighting and extremis.
Dont let the door hit you on the a** on the way out.
If you want to further debase yourself continue posting here, but I will most certainly delete your posts.
This blog will not become a home for blathering extremists. That home can stay at Umm Adam’s blog.
January 15, 2009 12:54 PM
Manal said…
Shame on you AbuSinan for doing your “Gaza” post last night!!! You work 60+ hours a week and go to school plus ABA therapy classes and you only had time to do a post last night??? Shame on you!! LOLO
These people are a joke, Wallah, a big lame joke!! What do you do with a joke?? You laugh it away, only in this case, you completely never repeat it again and simply delete it out of your mind!!!
Oh and look; I am defending my hubby!!!! Can I get a cookie??? LOLO
January 15, 2009 2:07 PM
sabiwabi said…
Manal
LOL, you are funny Sis. You know it is bad out there when we start defending our husbands.
BTW, I did my “Gaza post” 18 looong days ago. Now do I get a cookie? How silly.
Seriously though, as if any decent Muslim would hide behind the atrocities of Gaza. The point of the Brothers’ post (as I see it)was to show that petty bickering is senseless considering what is really going on in the Muslim world. We need these reminders to snap us all back into reality.
I had the same reaction to those pictures. What could we possibly have to argue about amongst ourselves or brow-beat each other for in the face of people who really want to do us harm?
Three words: EGO, VANITY and INSECURITY. That is the root cause of all of the blog fights that I have seen. Just my opinion.
I’m not a psychologist, I just play one in the comment boxes.
January 15, 2009 3:26 PM
أبو سنان said…
Indeed Sabiwabi.
I guess I am REALLY getting sick of the holier than thou troop, whether it is online or in real life.
I have stopped ignoring it in real life and have started to call these loosers out for what they are.
God has said that Islam is a community of the middle path. Those who condemn everything and everyone, those who assume that only THEIR version of Islam is correct, need to be shouted down by the majority of us who would rather let God decide.
I have never banned anyone from my site, but I am starting now. Brooke was the first.
That whole group is a bunch of fitna laden idiots who enjoy spending their time arguing with each other, and any one else unfortunate to say anything about their BS.
The takfiris arent so open about it anymore, so they wont openly call you a kafr if you dont agree with them. Instead they’ll tell you to “fear Allah” and ask for forgiveness for “straying from Allah”. All just nice ways of pronouncing takfir on others who dont agree with their views outside of Islam.
It is these types that have made the Muslim world backwards, it is why kids with special needs are seen as possesed, it is why people are starving, there is no freedom, either political or religious, and it is why the societies get robbed by dictators they refuse to stand up to.
500 years of these idiots have made the Islamic world into a backwater sink hole. The only way the Muslim world will finally find some justice for it’s people is to silence these types.
It is sad to say, but as moderates we cannot sit and be quiet. When takfiris offer loud words, we must meet them with louder words. If they offer violence, in the name of God we need to hand it back to them two fold.
For too long they have lead themselves and others down the path of ignorance and servitude, not to God, rather to their scholars and their loud mouthed leaders.
I reject these extremists with the same vigour as I reject the “liberal” Muslims on the other end of the spectrum.
They are both birds of a feather.
January 15, 2009 4:01 PM
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It would seem we all have extra time to indulge in fighting over silly stuff, whether on-line or in real life. We all have extra time to spend doing useless things.
Manal the other day was looking and reading about Gaza. Sayf, our two year old, walked up to the laptop and pointed to the very small dead Palestinian girl and said “baby”. I realised at that point that it could just as easily be my children dead.
Take a bit of time away from all of the useless things we do in life and remember these children with your prayers and Du’a. Open your wallet and purse and give what you can to help these people who need it.
Most of all beg God for some swift justice against those who do these things. Ameen.
posted by أبو سنان at 10:51 PM on Jan 14, 2009
January 16, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Looks like Abu Sinan knows a little bit about backbiting. I read all of the blogs involved and I have been keeping score. This attack of you on his blog was written before you stoop low and quoted that kafir al Capone on bedu’s blog. Even so, since you say you don’t read his blog, you should see this.
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Anonymous said…
Abu Sinan,
The perfect response to all that has been said abot you and your ideals over the net (Bedu’s blog)
Thank you for being the mature one…
January 15, 2009 3:50 AM
Faisal said…
I followed over here from Ummadam’s site.
Your comments were right on time. This many dead Muslims and she has only time to attack you?
January 15, 2009 8:57 AM
Manal said…
I was just telling my husband last night, that I can’t even get myself to post anything really. There is nothing there except the images of dying innocent civilians in my mind and the catastrophe that is going on in Palestine. May Allah have mercy on their souls and may Allah end this even if it means the end of this dreadful world as well!!!:(
And then you have this woman writing ridiculous, worthless and completely empty posts when she could be at least mentioning something about Gaza, in the here and now????
Let me tell you something. People like this lady feed off of this online blogging. It is their life. They have nothing else that is worthwhile other than sit behind the computer and type away. People like this will devote their time and energy online because online has become their life period. They develop so-called “friends” online and many other odd relationships.
I am a stay at home mom, I don’t have a lot of time on my hands but I do have some time to devote online to at least write a post a day and I don’t even do that. Why? Because thankfully to God, I have a very productive life in which I am extremely busy even if my kids are not at home and Alhamdulillah, I also have my priorities set straight.
Time and time again, I am noticing more and more bloggers are really taking this blogging thing to an EXTREME level when it should be a leisure-type experience. They took the fun out of something that is supposed to be sooooooooooooo innocent and pleasurable!!
But, I also should say and commend that there are several worthwhile blogs completely devoted to doing good and have become more sites of awareness really than I would call a “blog” per say.
Oh well, to each their own, I guess……..(now watch me get attacked……LOL!!!)
January 15, 2009 9:41 AM
Anonymous said…
Manal,
I have been reading your site for sometime. I wish you would find more time to blog but I understand why you dont.
Having looked at this lady’s site, it would seem she is almost obsessed by your husband. Two posts and much time wasted online?
Surely it is time wasted when there are more important things to do in life, or even more important things to blog about.
Ah well, ghetto is as ghetto does. Her blog looks like some sort of semi Islamic Jerry Springer show.
January 15, 2009 9:50 AM
brookeakaummbadier said…
Abu Sinan-
Just to set the facts straight, as in digitally recorded and posted to the online world facts, Ummadam did an “obligatory Gaza” post nearly two weeks ago. I say “obligatory” because I have seen other bloggers use that term as referring to the pressure of people demanding they write a Gaza post. Chronologically speaking here, just facts–you did yours last night. She did hers long before any of this drivel and right after a couple weeks hosting and co-hosting interfaith dialogs on her blog–yet you STILL villainize her. Rich. And you are USING the oppression, destruction, torture, human rights violations, etc of children in Gaza to do so. Makes you look good, eh?
Love and Peace,
~Brooke
January 15, 2009 12:41 PM
أبو سنان said…
Brooke,
I am sure Umm Adam needs you to help protect her.
I see you refuse to acknowledge how weird it is that she writes two complete posts on her blog about me and then invites her readers to boost her self esteem. She is a bit over the top and looks like she is obsessed. I am sure with her sham psych degree she can figure it out.
Let me make it clear, you are NOT welcome on this blog. You and yours do nothing but spread arguing, fighting and extremis.
Dont let the door hit you on the a** on the way out.
If you want to further debase yourself continue posting here, but I will most certainly delete your posts.
This blog will not become a home for blathering extremists. That home can stay at Umm Adam’s blog.
January 15, 2009 12:54 PM
Manal said…
Shame on you AbuSinan for doing your “Gaza” post last night!!! You work 60+ hours a week and go to school plus ABA therapy classes and you only had time to do a post last night??? Shame on you!! LOLO
These people are a joke, Wallah, a big lame joke!! What do you do with a joke?? You laugh it away, only in this case, you completely never repeat it again and simply delete it out of your mind!!!
Oh and look; I am defending my hubby!!!! Can I get a cookie??? LOLO
January 15, 2009 2:07 PM
sabiwabi said…
Manal
LOL, you are funny Sis. You know it is bad out there when we start defending our husbands.
BTW, I did my “Gaza post” 18 looong days ago. Now do I get a cookie? How silly.
Seriously though, as if any decent Muslim would hide behind the atrocities of Gaza. The point of the Brothers’ post (as I see it)was to show that petty bickering is senseless considering what is really going on in the Muslim world. We need these reminders to snap us all back into reality.
I had the same reaction to those pictures. What could we possibly have to argue about amongst ourselves or brow-beat each other for in the face of people who really want to do us harm?
Three words: EGO, VANITY and INSECURITY. That is the root cause of all of the blog fights that I have seen. Just my opinion.
I’m not a psychologist, I just play one in the comment boxes.
January 15, 2009 3:26 PM
أبو سنان said…
Indeed Sabiwabi.
I guess I am REALLY getting sick of the holier than thou troop, whether it is online or in real life.
I have stopped ignoring it in real life and have started to call these loosers out for what they are.
God has said that Islam is a community of the middle path. Those who condemn everything and everyone, those who assume that only THEIR version of Islam is correct, need to be shouted down by the majority of us who would rather let God decide.
I have never banned anyone from my site, but I am starting now. Brooke was the first.
That whole group is a bunch of fitna laden idiots who enjoy spending their time arguing with each other, and any one else unfortunate to say anything about their BS.
The takfiris arent so open about it anymore, so they wont openly call you a kafr if you dont agree with them. Instead they’ll tell you to “fear Allah” and ask for forgiveness for “straying from Allah”. All just nice ways of pronouncing takfir on others who dont agree with their views outside of Islam.
It is these types that have made the Muslim world backwards, it is why kids with special needs are seen as possesed, it is why people are starving, there is no freedom, either political or religious, and it is why the societies get robbed by dictators they refuse to stand up to.
500 years of these idiots have made the Islamic world into a backwater sink hole. The only way the Muslim world will finally find some justice for it’s people is to silence these types.
It is sad to say, but as moderates we cannot sit and be quiet. When takfiris offer loud words, we must meet them with louder words. If they offer violence, in the name of God we need to hand it back to them two fold.
For too long they have lead themselves and others down the path of ignorance and servitude, not to God, rather to their scholars and their loud mouthed leaders.
I reject these extremists with the same vigour as I reject the “liberal” Muslims on the other end of the spectrum.
They are both birds of a feather.
January 15, 2009 4:01 PM
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It would seem we all have extra time to indulge in fighting over silly stuff, whether on-line or in real life. We all have extra time to spend doing useless things.
Manal the other day was looking and reading about Gaza. Sayf, our two year old, walked up to the laptop and pointed to the very small dead Palestinian girl and said “baby”. I realised at that point that it could just as easily be my children dead.
Take a bit of time away from all of the useless things we do in life and remember these children with your prayers and Du’a. Open your wallet and purse and give what you can to help these people who need it.
Most of all beg God for some swift justice against those who do these things. Ameen.
posted by أبو سنان at 10:51 PM on Jan 14, 2009
January 17, 2009 at 2:11 am
I never thougth I would encounter something called a real life Muslim Soap Operah
inalillahi wa inna ilaihi raaji’oon
May Alah guie us back to as-sareeh as-sunnah ameen
January 17, 2009 at 2:32 am
All of this is stupid. Everyone’s flinging insults and accusations back and forth and people are stepping in recklessly in an attempt to seem either more important or more correct when all they’re doing is creating more fitnah. The worst thing you can possibly do in this situation is name drop. That’s worse than starting the initial arguement because now everyone knows who said what and everyone now has something to say to the person who said it. And then out of all things, people bring in the Gaza incident as a marker of who’s heart is more clean. I’m waiting on either AS or UA to end this ridiculous e-fight. It’s not a test of wits. It’s not a test of faith. It’s not even a test of morality.
It’s juvenile and it needs to stop.
May Allah subhana wa ta’allah bring peace of heart and mind to anyone involved in this.
January 17, 2009 at 3:35 am
tru dat tru dat tru dat. the disease of this affair is that this most needed naseeha will go in one ear and out the other
January 17, 2009 at 5:27 am
BROOKEUMMBADIER: So when are we going to have our “Psychological Tactics in Modern American Espionage and Counter-Terrorism Efforts.” Course for Dummies? The straw man theory is right on point, mash’allah. In this day and age Social Psychology should be a minor in islamic education these days, seriously. And it won’t stop until they have the last word, which let’s you know how much of a game it is. I suggest we compile a list of names of people caught pulling these stunts (to include their ipo addresses) and cross check how many blogs they go on under different names, then devout a whole blog to their ridiculous comments, multiple identities and blogs they frequent, ordered alphabetically. You’d be surprised what you’d learn.
Catch Phrases…. I have a million of ‘em….lolol.
January 17, 2009 at 8:47 am
May Allah guide us, this is ridiculous, backbiting, Ghaza’s massacre in the same sentence with Jerry Springer’s look a like drama,
January 17, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Ummie-You gotta get a better acronym! I would like to see some ipos, course I may get accused of spying
January 17, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Bismillaah
Assalaamu Alaikum!
Raaarrrrh! heeegh!!