For the past few days, I have been muling over this. I have calmed down, but I do suspect my blood pressure rose significantly the first 3 days after this incident. I will start off by saying that I am not against polygyny. I see it’s merits, but I also see where it can go wrong. I am not one of the pro-polygyny sisters who actively seek spouses for their husbands (although I have a bleeding heart and every time I read of some single struggling sister who is just looking for a good brother to marry, I feel guilty that I haven’t offered up mine. So guilty that I will inform him of the case), nor am I one of the anti-polygyny sisters who draw up iron clad prenuptial contracts. I am more of the practical-realist type of sister. Who realizes the nature of men and believe that if the circumstances are right, all involved are sincere, then it can be doable.
The first step to being doable, in my book is by having respect and consideration for the woman he is already married to. Since coming to Saudi, my husband has become somewhat of a chick magnet…masha’Allah. However, it’s like nobody gives a darn about me or his children – except him! It appears that people think that he will just drop us and run with the new offer. Now as much as my husband and I drive each other up the wall and stark raving mad at times – that man is nothing without me…rofl! He knows that..fact! So why are these people so rude, disrespectful, and inconsiderate? I’m trying really hard not to pull the race card on this one.
Once, he ran into a Turkistani-Saudi man. The man invited us over for dinner and we came and met his family. After, that my husband started getting strange phone calls from women and they would hang up the phone on me whenever he would pass it to me. He found out that the man had given out his number, and he had not even expressed a desire to marry another wife (well at least not a serious one, who knows what the man may have thought if my husband told him what he told me about wanting 4 wives and 2 slave girls…yeah right!).
After that, a female matchmaker contacted him. She was divorced herself and also wanted to get married. She asked him if they could meet at the beach and he said Okay. He excitedly, told me about it and asked me to go with him. I was less than thrilled, but I always have my husband’s back (that’s what he loves about me…lol) and I’m nosey – so I went. The woman was shocked, that he brought his family. I was told by a Saudi friend (who is currently interested in marrying my husband), that this is because they are not use to Saudi men being open about polygyny. It is usually done in secret (frequent business trips) or the man will tell the second wife that he is miserable in the first marriage but staying with her because of the children. So, I sat with this matchmaker woman – while my husband played with the children in the park and would occasionally come over and sit separate from us with his back to her (even though she was covered), to answer her questions. When he would leave, she would call different women to tell them all about him, again she is one who mistakenly believes that if you do not speak Arabic, you don’t understand it. I understood everything and my nephew would clarify some things. To me it was rude, because she spoke of us as if we weren’t there and she would laugh at whatever the other women would say. At the conclusion of the gathering, she informed my husband that she had several interested women, but that he could only marry them if he relocated me and the children for one to two years, until her heart softened and she could accept us! The audacity of these people and she actually said this in front of me! Did she actually think that my husband would even consider such a proposal? Did I not say that he is lost without me? ROFL!!!
Another time a good friend of mine and her husband came up with some genius idea to help a friend. The friend is married to a Saudi man, but was stuck in another country awaiting Saudi Government permission to have a Saudi recognised marriage and then be granted a visa to join her husband in Saudi. Well my friend and her husband were getting a little fed up with the wait and thought that maybe the husband was not doing all that he could do to get her over here. So one day the husband calls and tells (not ask) my husband that he and his wife want my friend (who they have not discussed this with) to divorce her husband and for my husband to marry her and bring her over here. Now, I have put up with a lot of crap when it comes to people coming to my husband about marriage and I never say anything. My husband always tells me and values my opinion but I tell him he will not blame me one way or the other and that he needs to make his own decisions. I’ve put up with the man who offered him his jinni possessed sister. Or this same family in this case, asking him to marry the Filipino maid of their relative who took her shahadah the day before. But, to ask my husband to consider marrying an already married woman! That took the cake. I blew up on that one. That was inconsiderate of everybody. That woman loves her husband to death and he adores her…why would they try and do such a thing? Not to mention these were friends of ours…how awkward!
However, the other night topped them all! Maybe it was because I am extremely hormonal. Or perhaps it was because I was already in a bad mood for having unwanted guest. I had a neighbor and her too live crew over. I then got a long distance phone call from a friend in the States. I will admit that I was rude and was on the phone for a very long time. While on the phone, the neighbor wrote a note and sent it to my husband via my daughter. I saw this (and I saw how her daughter kept looking at me and looking at the note to see if I was paying attention and then whispering to her mother…typical Arab behaviour). I thought to myself, “how inappropriate to pass a note to my husband without consulting me.” I didn’t think anything malice about it, other than it being inappropriate, and even thought that it was her asking him the meaning of a word (which she has done before, but through me). Then the note came back and their were a few more exchanges and all the while I’m on the phone checking this all out and getting pissed off! Still, I did not suspect anything. I only thought that she was maybe getting translations from him, but I thought that and knew that she would not be doing this if I were anybody else and that is what was getting me so upset!
After, I got off the phone, I went in the room with my husband and asked him what was this all about. He was shocked, because he thought I knew. I told him I was on the phone and knew nothing. He said, “ Well, I’m not hiding anything so here are all the notes, read them.” I snapped! I was like, “they are all in Arabic!” So he started translating all the notes. The first one from her was her telling him that she has a 19 year old niece (they are Arab but not Saudi), who she wanted to find a good religious husband for and to bring her to Saudi. She said that she did not mind being the second wife. My husband claims that he actually had a few other brothers in mind for her and not him, but I’m not stupid…the thought of a 19 year old virgin would make any middle aged man think twice! Not to mention his response in the note he sent back was, “is she literate?” Like he was really asking that question for another brother! He told me to give him husnan thun (benefit of doubt) and that he was not interested. I told him how disrespected I felt and how I didn’t appreciate her trying to be slick and that she knew she was wrong (obviously she knew because while I was in the room with my husband she packed her crew up and left!). He again advised me to have husnan thun for her. I did have some husnan thun. I knew that her motives was because she is from an improvised country and she saw opportunity for a relative and jumped on it.That was not my complaint, my complaint was that she had done it not only behind my back (not that you need ask the wife permission to marry the husband but as a woman she had no business approaching my husband, she could have told me or had her husband ask) but in a shameful way by sending the letter directly to my husband. Again he brought up husnan thun and said that maybe she is from a society that intermingles. This woman has been in Saudi for 20 years! Even a kafir would never stoop so low as to send secret letters to a friends husband about another woman, so the whole cultural intermingling excuse did not fly with me. I asked him how he would feel if he were on the phone and I sent a note to his guest – even an innocent note saying, “please give your wife my greetings.” Would that be appropriate or would it be better if I asked my husband to tell him? It would even be better if I said it directly, but a private note!
I then pulled out the race card. I told him what I thought and what I think every time people disregard me in our marriage. I’m not saying that I am right, but I can’t help to think that they do this because I am black and they feel I am not worthy of a white man. I hate thinking that, but it is how I feel. I am not an insecure person and I am the last person to play the race card, if anything I sometimes can not relate to direct racism.
The conversation at the picnic, further validates my feelings. You see, this is a conformist society. They do not believe in individualism. Everything is group think. So if one man finds white/light women attractive in their mind all men prefer white/light women over black women. Not only that, but because she herself was a sought after white Arab married to a Afro-Arab, she knows first hand of the epidemic. So in their minds, the white man – the best of God’s Creation, should only naturally prefer someone his equal. Now, what reason or explanation they have for why my husband is married to me is beyond me, but it’s obvious that they think he needs saved or if they are trying to improve the life of someone they know it’s obvious that they think my husband does not care about me and would do anything to have a white/light woman.
Think about it. Many of these women would not have married a black man if they were not desparate and he was a meal ticket for them. So again, I wonder what benefit they see in my husband being married to me? Surely, I am not his meal ticket. My husband absolutely refuses for me to work! I even suggested that once all the children are in school I can get a job at one of the Universities and start saving for our old age, bi’ithnillah. He finally admitted that other than wanting his children properly cared for, and other than his male ego of being the provider, he secretly thought that having my own money would be a fitnah for me and that I would want to leave him! Who would have thought he was insecure about his blackie wife leaving him?! So he didn’t marry me for the money. Obviously, not for my beauty, because we all know that black women are ugly. Religion does not even enter in their minds and I’m not sure if they are aware of the stereotypical wanton behavior (myth) that black women carry, for that to factor into their thought process. Truth be told, they don’t think about why he is married to me, all they think about is how they can get him away from me!
I know there are many other women of all colors and nationalities who have had people be inconsiderate of them when it comes to polygyny and that perhaps I am wrong for assuming it is race related, but the proof is in the pudding. I have read trifling things other black women have done to get a black man. I know about the trophy white wives, being mistreated by their Arab husbands and their families. I know this croses all the color divides, but I can not shake the feeling that because he is white and I am black that they either feel that I don’t deserve him, he deserves better, or that if he will settle for a black woman than surely he will desire someone better.
Nuff said…


~Hrmph…about this >secretly thought that having my own money would be a fitnah for me and that I would want to leave him…I think this may be a very common group thought for all men as some women have done it. Of the all the sisters I know personally that work, only a very, very small portion control their own money.
I’m sorry to hear you have to deal with this so much, it would be a real fitnah for me to have men falling over my husband….and though it is impossible to flip the card (being a trophy wife lol, typing that just about made me fall off my chair! But I know reality…Really the worst thing I hear about me is that I don’t cook his food. But, ya know he can do that better himself).
Anyhoo…it sounds like you are on to something sis…Just remember, you are his Nubian Queen! Do the Saudis have an equivalent to “The Darker The Berry?” And you HAVE got to get better at reading Arabic!Inshallah. …gotta deal with my too live crew..
Love and Peace,
~Brooke AKA Ummbadier
Brooke, I can read the Arabic and probably would have translated perfectly under the circumstances…lol! It was the priniciple!
Most of my trophy wife friends can replicate almost any of their husband’s foods. But, you’re right no need to try and out do yourself cuz most Ethnic men (heck most men cept mine) can cook better than women.
Hmm Saudi version of Darker the berry? I don’t think so. At most it was something between a man and a slave girl and the offspring would stil be known as the Son of a Slave woman, then he would make sure he didn’t marry black…
Smooches
Nubian Queen
As Salaamu Alaikum Umm Adam:
I can’t speak to the race part of it, but can feel you on the inconsiderate part of it. It’s the sneakiness and disrespect that sucks. I’m so sorry, sweetie, that you had to go through that.
Salaams Umm Adam
I’m definetly going to agree with you on the whole race thing. I had a Pakistani friend married to a white muslim man, and they lived for a few years in Saudi, and boy oh boy did those Arab sisters try and snatch him away, I mean they LITERALLY through themselves at him. The sad part is, that not only the Arab women but his Arab male friends, could not understand why he was married to a “black women”. To them it was beyond comprehension……
Umm Adam you must be one very strong sister, to put up with all this drama…..mashallah you have some serious inner strength.
Seriously do any of these women have an ounce of self-respect, I mean I’m sure there are plenty of good, SINGLE, available muslim brothers that are looking to get married. Leave the married ones ALONE!!!
But your right it’s the utter disregard for your feelings, that someone can just walk up to your husband and be like….hey look at me!!…Astaghfirallah!!
stay strong
What evil hearts some people have…i cannot even begin to say how sorry i am to see u go through something like this..i dont even know you
…but if i ever saw one of these women on the street, i would defend you to my death…
how anyone can think they are so superior when they have such evil intentions…i dont know
dont worry, while the saudis might shun your beauty..the rest of the world thinks black women are beautiful, graceful, and honorable
they will wake up one day…only to realize what a tragic mistake they have made by destroying their society..self-hatred is the worst form of hatred..
i thought saudi arabia had its own unique beauty and history..but is there anything left of it? it seems to all be gone…
wow…what an eye-opening post!
Do I dare speculate that because it appears more afro-american muslim women are in polygny that it is viewed as acceptable to these women to offer wives to your husband? Do they think that an afro-american muslim is more willing to accept this than a white american muslim?
Wa Alaykum Salaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahu
Safiyya, it’s funny because he did not get this celebrity status until we got here. Actually, my nephew is a bit of a celeb too and gets his own proposals. I guess it’s an American thing.
Muslimah123, I’m not really all that strong. My husband is is broke…let him come into some money and then maybe I will really start to feel threatened! O and in Makkah I did have a woman walk directly in his face, I pulled him away from her and she then jumped in front of him and lifted her veil! As if saying, “hey look at me and get rid of the zinji”
Saira, the Saudis don’t treat me bad. For some reason it is only when it comes to my husband that women think they can replace me or at least get him to fall out of love with me. It’s funny because the harder they try the harder he falls for me! Masha’allah, it’s amazing how Allah preserves and protects our marriage because it keeps getting stronger, especially when up against opposition.La hawla… I don’t even have to act a fool or anything, which really gets him wondering what’s up..he even asked me, “why are you so ok with this? I don’t trust you, if I get another wife you may try to leave me.” When I told him I didn’t want a divorce he even got more concerned and was like, “well then you will probably tell me to stay at her house and not come to you.” I just smiled and said, “whatever makes you think that?” See it’s when you start sweating your man and acting crazy that they hurry and get another, when you play it cool like it’s all good you freak them out! lol! I think Eddie Murphy had a skit like that back in the day about a cheating husband and a real cool wife and how dude was scared!
Carol, actually the people here don’t know anything about AA Muslims. The only thing they know about AA is what they see on tv if they watch tv and that is not about Muslims.
The reason why they don’t try this with white women is because:
1. The white American women they encounter are either married to a white non-Muslim, whom they can not marry or either married to a local. If married to a local, trust me, one day eventually there will be an uncle on his death bed asking his nephew to marry his divorced, widowed, or spinster daughter or else nobody will be able to care for her after he dies. It’s always the cousin who will be wiling to be the 2nd wife.
2. They feel inferior to white women and superior to black women, so they would not feel confident enough to try and take a man away from a white woman. Even if the white woman was extremely unattractive and the black woman was extremely beatiful.
Not alkl Arab women are like this. It’s not like it is top notch women approaching him. The 19 year old virgin was the youngest I can recall, but look at hersituation, she is from a dirt poor country with a not so bright future. The others were a couple of majnun women, a Fipilpino servant, a street begger in Makkah, and divourcees, widows, or spinsters. He was not given the pick of the litter more like the leftovers and rejects.
Men of all nationalities and walks of life have been attracted to me, my mom, and sister. Like I said before they conform, outside of Saudi the same men will approach a black woman. I know several AA women married to Saudi men. Of the ones I know, only one is married to a poor black Saudi, the rest are married to very well off top oil execs that are ‘white’ Saudis. These women are even shocked to hear what I have experienced because it has not happened to them. Funny thing (I say that a lot) is that the one married to a black Saudi had a relative of her husband express to me that they were disappointed that she was not white American!
Again folks, it’s colorism NOT racism. At least not racism as we know it. Many black Saudis will defend a white Saudi in a heartbeat and tell you that it is not the same thing we know as racism in America. They will tell you that it is only in regards to marriage. And if that black Saudi is of mixed heritage, you can garaunte that they will NOT marry black themselves, so they do not see this as racism because they may have black relatives that they love…it’s just a marriage thing.
I don’t want anyone to walk away from this thread thinking Saudi are evil because of this.
Ya know, I have been revisiting some feminist studies as I am having to deal with way too much misogyny in my current community…and I this morning I am able to correlate your families experience to this:
How insulted WE are when men are attracted to us solely on physical appearance. Yes, it can have a momentary ego boost but ultimately, it would be especially annoying to know that people are completely overlooking the immense work that a convert puts into their conversion, deen, character,etc…and was being sought after strictly on the basis of the color of their skin and/or their nationality…yeah this happens daily to the trophy wives that are scooped up immediately upon their conversion…but masha Allah, your hub is in a unique position to experience this weirdness. Inshallah, he recognizes it as completely insulting.
Love and Peace,
~Brooke
While you say it is not a racism thing, at the same time most Saudis I know are very conscious of “what color or tone” they appear. Some proposed matches to not take place due to concerns on the color of either the woman or the man.
Again, very interesting post and resulting discussions.
MashaAllah Umm Adam, u crack me up with your psychology towards your husband lol, men can be really easy to fool some times.
On a more serious note, SubhanAllah, i feel really sorry for you sis, i cant imagine what it feels like having people chase your hubby.May Allah make it easy for ya, give you patience and keep your marriage strong. Ameen.
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Actually, I’ve had a sense of the “not good enough” thing with Somalis, and I’m white. A few years ago I approached people in the Somali community in SE London but the tongues started wagging and soon my female contact started suggesting that I go marry a mzungu (she was born in Nairobi, hence the Swahili word) convert. I don’t know if they think I must have had ten dozen girlfriends before I converted, but I know some of them think white people must be spies.
This is less about race than about a culture of women with no manners. Even in the US people will judge a women if she is not considered pretty enough for her husband but they would behave this way unless they were just skanky.
I see why the divorce rate is so high in KSA if women are this bold and rude. The men don’t stand a chance.
no no no..this is definitely about color..there is no denying this..there is NOTHING unattractive about dark skin or tan skin..you cant compare that to a woman being “ugly” or pretty..
its about a whole society of women that are conditioned to believe that unless they are the palest of pale…they are not good enough or undeserving of a good man and family..simply put it is destructive and will continue to slowly destroy the culture…
lol..i hate to say this…but if the women of saudi..with african-arab features, or dark semetic features were exposed to the world the way western woman are…if saudi wasnt such a conservative culture…i would say that the saudi men would have no women left because the men from the rest of the world…would kill themselves stupid trying to marry and wisk away a beautiful “dark” saudi girl…its so ironic that many of the men dont realize how many people desire those “dark” features..lol
oh man that sounds rubbish, whats going on in Saudi? Women are worse than men it seems..
Yusuf, that was in the West. It was like that for my dh too (so maybe he did settle for me!!!). However, in Saudi you will be the man. Even then you won’t be given the pick of the litter, it will still be rejects to a degree.
Saira, I had a Somali/Saudi girl who works in the dental field at an American base tell me how many of the Americans proposed to her. Same with a mixed Saudi girl who is brown skin and works with Americans. 9 out of 10 times the browner Saudi girls would be considered more desirable in the West. They are just as cute as can be, but think because they are not pale nobody wants them. I have a very pretty Saudi friend, who is almost 40 and never been married. I was so shocked I asked her why isn’t she married? I mean she’s beatiful! She said that because the mothers run the show here and they pick out the brides. The first thing they look for is really white and then really skinny and she was neither. This is why the walimas are like meat market. Anorexic looking girls in clown face desparately waiting to be noticed by some old woman.
as salamu ‘alaykum
belated ‘eid mubarak ya umm adam
I don’t know how you take this. I would grab every one of these women and smack them around a few times. I don’t care if they are Muslims or not. That is plain rude and evil to me. My husband knows that I would never support such a thing. I’m not anti polygany but I am very jealous, and for anyone to do that in front of me uff! I would burst! How do you handle it? I am so upset just for you. You can be african american, asian, white, hispanic, or whatever, but you have feelings.
Umm Layth, I think she’s so secure about her husband not having a second thought or not putting her out, that i find ummadam you almost at some level find it funny. I mean yes its mean and rude, but nothing to have a total fit over right ? Thats what it seems like to me.
I like your attitude about it.
Hey, I love her attitude about it, too. That takes quite a bit of patience. (Something I don’t have with crazy people…)
Wa Alaykum salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatahu and a belated Eid greeting to you, Umm Layth. A little bit of what Alwaysred said. Most of the time I find it amusing. However, the other night was the first time I was actually upset about it and I have decided to cut ties with the woman. I only had dealings with her out of sympathy and the fact that she is a pushy neighbor and would insist on coming to my home uninvited. She came about two days after the incident and I basically only shook her hand and gave salaams to her. I could not look at her, and spent the rest of her short stay talking to another guest (they came together but she left earlier….think she got the picture).
I also don’t take it personal. It’s not that i feel secure about my husband not taking another wife, but i am secure in our relationship. In other words, if he ever does take another wife, I know it will not be to replace me. My husband is actually very content with just me and I bring up the benefits of polyyny more than he does. That is what I find both amusing and annoying about how people just assume my husband could drop me for someone else or that he would base his love for me or any woman on the color of their skin. Again, I’m not an insecure person or espcially jealous so maybe that is why I haven’t freaked out. Not to mention, anytime something like this happens, it only makes my husband show more love to me. He has said over and over that I am a tough act to follow.
Masha’Allah, la hawla wa la qa watta…
Salaam Alaikum,
I stumbled upon your blog and of course fell in interest with it
What you say about polygyny and the way people go about it is so true! I am in a polygynous marriage right now and not having any problems and neither is my co-wife, but I am starting to feel like we are the only ones! There are so many instances where people are not using proper adab when it comes to this delicate issue. My brother and his wife are currently in Saudi and she tells me of how the women are constantly approaching my brother with indecent marriage proposals in secret. They disregard her and his existing family with her without a second thought, astaghfirallah! She is a dark arab and experiences the racist sentiments as well.
On a lighter note, Masha Allah, it is good to see you have such a wonderful attitude about polygyny. Would you mind if I add you to my blog roll? I think I will be a permanent visitor to your blog, lol.
Salaam Alaikum
Tru
Well, Umm Adam, you amaze me. Maybe it is because I am young and immature and you are older and wiser. I personally hate women who throw themselves on men who are married. There are so many things on the line when a man decides to take on a 2nd wife. There is a family that has been for a long time and many times these feelings are ignored. I know so many families that dealt with polygany and the vast majority of the cases I know have been of women who threw themselves on the men, demanded everything because they felt they deserved more being a new wife than the first wife, and many of the lives were ruined. I know so many first wives that deal patiently, masha’Allah, even though their husbands are horrible and their co wives so evil, but I personally could not do that. Gosh, I can’t even handle reading about you. LOL
I once read a quote, and I forget on which blog, but it went something like this: “Only the worst of men and the best of men are in polygonous relationships.”
As Salaamu Alaikum All, and belated ‘Eid Mubarak!
This sounds like some ol’ East Coast nonsense from back in the day! To be so bold and with such lack of adaab! A woman who gets a man to marry her in this manner would be upset if it happens to her after she’s married the man and ANOTHER woman comes sniffing around. The fitan that comes to a marriage often is based in how the marriage started. Umm Adam, I don’t mean you, I mean the marriage that is started in secrecy and deception and bad manners.
But it is best to play it cool (even if it’s killin you) cause then a brother might start wondering ‘Why’s she so cool with this? Hmmm.’ Then he might start cleaning up his act, thinking he might be about to loose you!
If this is the state of affairs with unmarried women now, think of how it will be when there are even fewer men available!
Ok, now you know I am a very straightforward woman, right?
Here goes: I disagree with umm attiya. I think this is a really a dangerous game to be playing for him or you to even indicate any POSSIBLE interest in polyyny without coming to an agreement that it is something you both want and even writing a contract wbout how polygyny would be managed in terms of time, money, children, etc. Without being really clear on the groundrules either of you could be facing disaster, not to mention your children.
As for your husband, I find it very odd that he was even comfortable with the idea of meeting a matchmaker — even if he did bring you and the kids — and that he exchanged any notes with that sneaky woman who took advantage of your friendship and hospitality allowing her in your home.
Unless you want to find yourself in polygyny before you know it, I would have a serious talk with him and put an end to this potentially harmful play. If in this conversation you discover your husband or you do have an interest in polygyny then at leat you
know where you stand and can plan for the wellbeing of you, your children and your husband.
Salaam Alaikum,
PM
Peacefulmuslimah: As Salaamu Alaikum. I don’t think you disagreed actually, because I agree with you! I think that her dh’s meeting the woman at the beach with the family might (and he knows what he intended more than I) have been a polite way to show her that he would not be involved in any back-street dealings regarding polygyny. It might have been his way to show the woman “See, this is how I roll, up front and open.” And since he knows ummadam is secure in the marriage, he might have figured it would not bother her. Maybe they have already talked about this between them, so it wasn’t an issue for her to go to the beach with him. It seems like her issue was with the manner in which the woman behaved in her home.
But I do still think its best to play it cool, and by thay I mean not calm and collected, not smug. A wife who gets all crazed and beside herself certainly doesn’t make a good impression on her husband. Any fitnah you face is best handled with patience and calmness when it first comes to you, whatever it is.
Calm and collected… gosh.
PeacefulMuslimah, to me, said what I also felt uncomfortable with, but was, in a way, afraid to mention. How can he be so comfortable? I know men are completely different from us, but why does he even do it? I hope you don’t mind sharing.
Tru, masha’Allah. May Allah continue to bless your marriage and keep it fitnah free. I really don’t understand why muslims in polygyny seem to be doing worse than kafir zannies who share men?! I know women in jahiliah perfectly content with their ‘main squeeze’ status and the other woman being pleased with playing ’side kick’. I’m not saying that Muslim women should be like that, but it amazes me that we have the problems we do. Also a friend told be aout some Mormon reality show where the man has several wives and she said that in their religion they view each additional wife as a blessing. My friend said that she has never witnessed a muslim plural marriage work as smoothly as she has the Mormons…why?
Umm A, I know it sounds bad and it is inconsiderate, but you know I just think the women are desparate. After 24 years old here, it is hard for a woman to get chosen. Like I said, he has never been offered a 18 year old Saudi virgin from a noble, rich and religious family (that’s what he is holding out for…..lol). they keep their best pickins for themselves and if you are offered one of theirs’s than it is more than likely similar to what you will find on the reduction rack of a store (close to expiring, spoiling, dents, and in a few ‘lucky’ cases ppl may just not realise what a good deal it was).
PM, be as starightforward as you like. No beating around the bush in Islam.However, dh and I are not playing a game. When I first met him, one of my questions was his position on polygyny and if it were something he himself would be interested in. He told me then, “I am a polygynous man. If I can I would like 4 wives and two slave girls.” He asked me how I felt about polgyny and I told him that if our Phophet permitted it, who was I to prohibit it. At the time I only had one request. I asked him if he could hold off on taking a wife until I gave birth to a boy child, because I wanted to share a kunyah with him. Believe it or not that was my biggest concern that some woman would come in after me, have a boy and they would be known as Abu and Umm Fulan! He already had a daughter and few people called him by her name and when I had my first girl child I did not officially take her name as my kunyah because I still wanted us to have the same kunyah. So now that we have a son and share a kunyah then dh is fair game! However, our financial situation is not ideal, and he seems so much pickier than before, and he will come up with more excuses than me to get him out of it. He is not looking for another wife. In each case it has been someone brought to his attention, not him searching. Right now i have more of a problem with his obsession with tennis than I do with polygyny.
Umm Layth, this is the first time in my husbans life that he has gotton this much attention from the opposite sex. In America, he was just another Joe. Here he sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe it’s flattering at some point, but he is not crazy. actually it tickles both of us and it has not gone to his head. Why should he be uncomfortable? If he thinks for a minute that the children and I will be slighted than he is not interested. The only person that has even peaked his interest is this one Saudi woman, who absoulutely loves me and the kids and whose entire family is crazy about us. The others, who made it clear that they were just looking out for self, never stood a chance. Financially we can’t afford it, but he says that the risq is from Allah and he will meet with people who request a meeting, just to keep his options open. Now that we are over the kunya hurdle, my biggest issue with polgyny for me is the inconvience of it. I personally don’t mind the break, but I do mind me always having to factor in someone else when I want to do something. Also,I complain about him not spending enough quality time with the children and I don’t see polygyny improving that.
i tried to strike a deal with him the other day. I told him that I wanted to renew our marriage contract and add to it that if he were to take another wife than I could get a job. He did not agree to it. For one, he is more concerned with me losing interest in him than I am with him losing interest in me once he gets a new toy to play with. Two, he thinks I will be too much to handle with my own money and the extra time I will have from him having another wife. Three, he said it will make him look bad if he takes another wife and I get a job, like he can’t afford it and is oppressing me. I told him, that I just did not want to play tit for tat and have him accountable for every dime he spent on me, so I want my own money. He basically was like, “well who says I’ll take another wife?”. Reverse psychology people!
what i find the most disturbing is that a new wife is even thought of as a “new toy to play with” Polygyny is supposed to be a way to increase the ummah and strengthen family ties.
If men see it only as a way to play around, I can see why it is so often unsuccessful.
Ummabdurrahman, please do not hold the men accountable based on something I said. The quote was from me, not a man. I do not view women as a toy to play with either, but I was trying to make a point. The point being that many wives get iunsecure about a new wife…you know the whole newness of it…like a new car, shoes, or toy. not to objectfy women…but to make a point. Maybe that’s why I don’t freak out as easy as some over P cuz I’m just not overly sensitive about semetics and other stuff.
I sometimes think of it in terms a ‘new toy’ too. I’m sure some men like the idea of something new. Whether it’s a car or a woman. No problem as long as responsibilities are met also. And make sure you don’t say it in her hearing, lol.
asiyasmom, a toy is probably not an insult to some of thee women. many of them will think of you as an old smelly shoe anyway. don’t let her be younger or thinner (shhh or lighter…lol)!
umm adam it’s just this is not the first time I’ve heard of a woman referred to as a toy.
Newness…i can understand that. Sadly the newness wears off and the reality sets in.
Out of all the qualities of my husband that I love…his honesty is something i treasure the most alhamdulillah. He is honest in an almost brutal prick your eye out kind of way. Being separated for nearly 8 months now, inshaAllah, I don’t worry about the deception of polygyny gone wrong because he is not afraid to hurt me. That may sound bad, but wallahi it makes me feel secure. I know that he fears Allah more than me.
I reflect on your previous posts(which I love by the way mashaAllah) and I think about the nearly 6 years of conversations that I have had with this man.
1. he’s broke..literally. I’m working in the US while he sits there waiting to be reunited with his family. He knows that polygyny at this time would be the ultimate betrayal considering the huge sacrifices we are all dealing with. It’s not fair that he gets a new little “toy” while i work and work and work and take care of our son.
2. He believes that if you ur renting an apartment than you can’t afford another wife. Unless your first family is in a house that you own and can feel safe and secure in…you have no business looking for another. Unlike the men you mentioned who kick out the wife and baby to bring the new wife into the teeny tiny apartment.
3. He’s not willing to give our son even less time than the time he already receives for a possibility of something new.
For all of his flaws(and boy does he have some) women are not his weakness alhamdulillah. He would rather spend his time praying in the masjid and reading quran.
Asiyasmom: too bad a car is a machine and a woman is a human being. I don’t like the comparison one bit. Like i said to umm adam, I get the newness thing. What I don’t get is the objectifying of women when islam has set out to give women all of our rights and staus…a status well beyond being compared to a toy or a car.
hahahaha umm adam ur so right. what happens when the new toy realizes ur really not some old smelly shoe. what’s she gonna do then?
dang I’m just all over your comments huh! I’ve been a reader for some time but haven’t commented before..i think?
don’t mind me. i mean no harm.
ummadam: No, it really doesn’t sound inconsiderate, it’s just the truth with many women. As women age it IS more difficult to get married, so that does tend to make them desperate. And some of them think “Desperate times call for desparate measures.” So women who think like that will tend to substitute the word “desperate” for “TRIFLING”. The criteria they may have once had goes out the window when they start edging up to 40. They’ll consider being the 2nd or 3rd or 4th wife now, or they take the man with 6 kids, or they’ll throw themselves at a brother instead of maintaining their hayah. Mind you, nothing wrong with being an additional wife, or taking on 6 kids if you think you can handle that. But the hayah has to stay, or else it’s “If you have no shame, do as you wish.” Then you have to think, “What kind of man are YOU getting if he accepts you, after seeing that you’ve thrown your manners in the dust?” How will he treat YOU? If you quack like a duck, and act like a duck, he gonna treat you like a duck.
It seems, alhamdulillah, that your dh is not inclined toward ducks!
Ummabdurrahaman ahlan wa sahlan yaa habibitii…ma casa su casa ya digg? I just came over from your spot and read one of your post about starbucks and somali cabies…by chance would that be across from Skyline Square in NOVA? On second thought, it wouldn’t cuz u said it was across from a hospital.
Your hubby sounds like a pretty sensible man, masha’allah. In your case and mine, having a broke husband has it’s benefits. Unfortunately, not all men are like that…for some it’s a challenge. Like there’s some honor in staving your wife and kids while you get a free meal at the masjid or bumming off of some brothers hospitality. really, I know a few cases like that, where the women and children would go without food for days but bru man would eat his fill hanging out with the bros.
think i’ll start a new blog on trifling polygny.
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I don’t have anything to add, Ummadam, only checking in to tell you how much I enjoy reading your very intelligent and insightful blog, and how much I learn from your every entry.
Wish you were a neighbor and we could have coffee from time to time, but visiting your blog is like a good visit.
I am commenting late on this post, but I am curious. Why did your husband even meet this woman? If he wasn’t interested period, he would have hung up and that would have been the end of it.
Why can’t your Kunya be a girl’s name? It doesn’t have to a boy.
it sounds like she wants to share a kunyah with her hsuband. she doesnt want to be umm girls name while he is abu boys name (which he shares with other wife)
well……….that’s what i understood
intlxpatr, thanks for your comment. i think betwen you and Carol, I may virtually gain weight!
OM, like Umm A said, I want to share a kunya with my husband, as we do now. hE HAD A DAUGHTER FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE SO EVEN IF i TOOK MY DAUGHTERS NAME, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN BY HIS DAUGHTERS NAME. NOW THAT WE HAVE A SON TOGTHER, the people automactically gave us our son’s name as our kunya. My point was that I wanted to share a kunya before any additional wives came along and had a boy first. Now that that is out of the way, I don’t really have any other petty hangups.
As far as him discussing polygyny with potentials, even if not currently interested. WE have decided to keep OUR options open. We have given this a lot of consideration and there are many benefits for our particular sitution and family where the right person and circumstances could be excatly what WE need as a family. Like I said, he is not actively looking for anyone, but at the same time WE are interested in knowing what is out there. I also look around at other job options for him even through his current job is probably the best place to work in his field in this country. However, there are other jobs with other benefits, just as there are other women with other benefits.
gotta run my daughter is having another ‘emergency’
Interesting. My wife was raised both here in the USA and back home/abroad, so I think she is more open about this than the “typical” Saudia might be.
She has made it very clear that most Saudis/Arabs really dont think about white guys for marriage because it is not that commonly known that there are a fair amount of white converts. She never thought about marrying an American until she met me. It just never entered her mind.
She said that a white convert, with a good job, education and that spoke Arabic would be a prized find, but she didnt always think like this.
When we first got married she used to joke that if I could find another Saudi woman willing to marry a white convert that I could take the lady as a second wife with her permission. As she talked to more and more of her Saudi/Arab friends, both here in the USA and in the Gulf, she retracted that offer! LOL!
When I had my blog one of my main subjects was marriage recognition, Westerner married to Saudi female, and I’d get Saudi women who’d e-mail asking me to find “white converts” for them to marry.
I think the race card is WAY appropriate for this conversion. The reason why many of these Arab women never thought about marrying Americans is because the assumption that any American convert is certain to be black, hence they’d never consider it. Once they learn there are a small amount of us white converts, they suddenly change their ideas.
You can see them on the marriage sites on the web, they are looking for “Caucasian Americans”.
I had to laugh at my mother in law who once advised my wife not to let me to travel to Dubai on business as I was sure to be snatched up and get married without her knowing.
For me this is all about the men. I believe Islamically, the man is required to tell his wife that he is taking another wife right? Any man who marries another woman without telling his wife first is not a good man, in my belief.
Besides, being married and doing it right is a lot of hard work. I could never take a second wife. My one and only is enough work for me, I couldnt take another and treat her like she deserves to be treated.
Abu Sinan that is really nice that you respect your wives feelings.Your type is really rare believe me.I am convinced now from you and Ummadam that if I remarry he will be a white convert, single of course*smile*
then again I don’t know if I could deal with arab women constantly throwing themselves at him all the time.The ghettoness in me may sneak out.
I always thought that arabs thought that America was just full of white people.A few of muslims I know who have traveled overseas always get asked where they are from because they assume they are from africa as America only is full of white people and are really stooped when they say they are from America like how can that be, your black there are only white people in America.
since yu’v put this topic out there and its public, i’m just curious. what ‘many’ benefits could there be to your family through polygamy? Sorry if that question sounds a little like someone asking who is irritated
cuz i’m not. i can’t figure out how else to word it lol!
i just gave a looong response to this….computer ate it…I’ll attempt to recap later insha’Allah.
You have a strong misconception of slavery in the arab world, Slavery were of all types and colors even whites. Furthermore you are either arab or not, you cant be afro-Arab, thats strange. If you are from Africa, then your African. Arabs, just like jews are of many colors. If black arabs are Afro-arabs, then i suppose a white arab is Euro-arab or something like this lol. I live in saudia, as i said to many people if u hang out with evil and irriligious people, you will get their dirt all over you. which is true in all societies. Try to keep good company. unfortunetly many “salafi” come to Saudi thinging they are going to Paradise. WELL SURPRISE.
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assalamu alaykum wa rahmatallah…
mashallah what a great read that was….reading all of the sisters views, jazakomAllahu khair.
Umm Rasheed
I really enjoyed reading this. It’s like a window was opened to another realm of exitence. It would be interesting to know how the Saudi women in question would justify their displays of forwardness to your husband.
Umm Adam, I’m glad you kept your cool. I would imagine the best thing one can do is to show one’s husband all the reason why he shouldn’t even conceive of marrying anyone else.
And as Sheikh Yasir Birjas would say: don’t worry about a man who says he’s interested in a second wife (i.e. all talk), worry about the one who never mentions it (i.e. quite one)!
haha wow
ur really strong mashaAllah
I hope Allah grants you the best happiness in your marriage. Your husband should never take another wife if he has you…
To be honest, his opposition to you having a job would bother me so much if I was in your place but I guess you don’t mind too much???
Assalamu alaikum, MashaAllah I ejoyed reading your blog. I admire you ukhti for your sabr. Allah taala give you and your family khair in this world and next.
salaam alayk sister, your blog is really nice, I’ve been on it for the past few hours. i love your open attitude towards polgyny and I pray Allah continue to bless your marriage and that of other muslimahs.
as salamu alaykum ummadam,
I’ve just read this old post subhanAllah! But alhamdulillah!Allah always test us,testing our patience and our imaan insh’Allah!
PS:anyway,I’m sorry u felt like that
I just wanted to share this, I am A black women and I have been hooking up with a saudi guy for about 10 months and I am beginning to like him, but he is married and his wife is in his country.
What should a sister do?
Thank you
Lovable
Hi tracey, how would you like a woman hooking up with your husband if you were married? therein lies your answer.
I just have to say, I love you Umm Adam.