Hijrah To KSA: Are There Salafee Communities and Where Are The Salafee Scholars In Saudi?

I am frequently asked this question, or a derivative thereof. I often hesitate to answer it for fear of backlash from answering without knowledge. Nonetheless I’d like to share what goes though my mind when I am asked this question. Note these are my thoughts, not a cut and paste answer.

The question is rooted in the desire to find this salafee utopia. I’ve been Muslim for a while now and in the beginning I used to be one of those who envisioned this utopia where everyone is a part hive minded collective calling themselves “salafee”, everyone in town is sitting with an approved Shaykh, there are abundant good paying jobs, nice clean streets, no racism, and modern technology.

This is the realization that people have to come to: It does not exist. NO PLACE IS PERFECT.

Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country. Not only is it a Muslim country, but it is one that prides itself for preserving the sunnah, applying the Sharia, and encouraging and making readily available Islamic knowledge. Saudi is also a tribal country and you will have tribes with various people in them. You will have to search hard to find a tribe, village, neighborhood, or family, where all members have the same level of eemaan, taqwa, knowledge, and everyday application of Islam. I doubt you can find a single salafee family or tribe here, how likely will you find a salafee community? As a matter of fact the majority of the religious people here weren’t always religious and have rediscovered their deen. This may not be for the scholars, because most of them were raised to upon sound Islamic Tarbiyah.

When I’m asked about where the salafees are, the first thing I think is why ask me a foreigner? Sure it’s because I’m who you have access to, but really a question like that could never be answered by someone who does not know the country like the locals. Now ask a local and they will look at you like you are crazy. Why? Because to them if you are not rafaadee (they have their communities) then you are sunni/salafee. The common Saudi will not know exactly what you mean by that and will point out the nearest Mutawwa. To them Mutawwa = Salafee. The more savvy Saudi will note the difference between the Muttawa with the iqal on his shammaq/ghutra and the one without. Depending on what you believe a salafee is and what they believe a salafee is –  you will be led to believe different things about the ones who wear the iqal and don’t. 

Unless of course, one is referring to salafiyyah in a Western Muslim mentality of some clique and not salafiyyah as in the true and correct Islam with all its implications. I say this, because I had the privilege to be invited to a Western Salafee Eid gathering one year. About five families from Riyadh came to the gathering. One of the sisters, informed me that she would “only vouch for the salafiyyah” of two of the other sisters there. She explained to me that Riyadh had many families claiming salafiyyah but they were not ‘clear salafees and that as far as she was concerned there were only three salafee families in Riyadh. Later, she mentioned a friend of mine who lives in Jeddah and told me that “She’s a hizbi and I hate her for the sake of Allah!” When I told her that my friend claims to be salafee and even studies with one of the Shaykhs that she takes from, she insisted that this was not true. She told me that there were only three salafee families in all of Jeddah and that she knew all of the families that sat in the Shaykh’s talk and that my friend was NOT one. I told her that she may be aware of all the English speakers that sat in the small translated halaqa but that my friend and her children sat with the Arabic speakers and that surely there were more than 3 salafee families in Jeddah and Riyadh. We disagreed on this point. Her last words on the matter being that if my friend wanted to claim salafiyyah then she needed to speak to her first and clear herself. So when someone ask me who and where the salafees are, they are asking the wrong person and should ask this sister instead and according to her there are 3 in Jeddah and 3 in Riyadh, so I wouldn’t exactly call that a community.

Before my husband became Muslim, he was given dawah by a Saudi. Shortly after moving here, my husband was visited by an American Salafee. This Saudi who gave him dawah took him and the American Salafee out one day. One of the trips was to a bookshop. The American Brother purchased several books and tapes by Shaykh Rabee. He showed them to the Saudi brother. The Saudi asked him why was he focusing on the works of that one Shaykh which were over his head, considering he couldn’t even speak Arabic. The brother starting arguing with him via my husband who had to translate everything! Later the brother went back to Riyadh and spread the word that my husband is friends with a hizbi who hates the Salafees and the Mashaykh! My husband informed the Saudi of this who said nothing of it. Later he called my husband and asked him to accompany him on a trip to Riyadh. There he took my husband to meet many of the Ulema. He met the Grand Muftee, Shaykh Fawzan, and went to the home of Shaykh Ibn Jibreen (who some salafee brothers called an ‘idiot’ to my husband). The Saudi man is well known with the Shayook and has a binder full of Shahadah’s, Tazkiyah’s, and Ijazah’s from the most prominant of them such as Shaykh Bin Baz and Shaykh Uthameen. He writes many books but uses a pen name because he refutes those such as the rafadees and he lives in the Eastern Province which has a huge Rafadee community. While sitting with Shaykh Fawzan, he mentioned to him that some American brothers were warning against him and calling him a Hizbi. Shaykh Fawzaan shook his head, laughed told the brother that his work is good and beneficial, to continue and to put icing on the cake, told the brother to give him the manuscript of the book that he had written and earlier shown the Shaykh because he wanted to write the forward for it! So according to this American Salafee brother, the Saudi da’ee is a Hizbi, but according to the many Ulema who he is well known amongst, he is praiseworthy.

Bottom line is that this is a moot point. IMHO it should be a mute point! Why? Because once you have made it over here, you will realise the the main concern is looking out for your family. You are already surrounded by Muslims. Find a location to live that is good for your family. The people and students of knowledge are abundant here and you will not have to look far to seek knowledge. If you limit yourself to the handful of students recommended by the Shaykhs who were recommended by the mouth pieces of the Western Muslim communities, you will be at a lost that’s if you want to study, everybody can’t be a student). The schools and masajid here are not established and founded upon who is on the manhaj and who isn’t. I have heard of brothers not praying in their local Masjid, because the there is no salafee masjid in their area, so they travel on Jumuah to attend the nearest salafee masjid. This is ridiculous! The masajid here are all government ran and all of the Imams are Government appointed. To be able to speak at the masjid after the prayer, it must be approved. Some of the ‘known’ (by Westerners but Saudies don’t know who you are talking about) Salafee Shayook have been reduced to doing the same things as some of the ‘hizbi’ Shaykhs and that is to grab the mic after the prayer without permission in hopes of doing a quick talk before being kicked out. Others are Imams of their neighborhood masjid and others have talks in their home or are invited to speak at gatherings. I’ve also been told of sisters being boycotted for going to a Quran school in Riyadh that is connected to a masjid with an Imaam that they do not approve of!

My advice is not to concern yourself with where the salafees are in KSA. After all this is the Land of Tawheed, you are not coming here for a Salafee community. If that’s your number one priority move to Philly. More than likely, what you mean by Salafee anyway, will be few and far between and there is no community based on that. Simply find a good job and if you have several options choose the one that is best for your deen and your dunyah. After that choose your companions wisely based on the Book and the Sunnah, work on your deen, be kind to your neighbors, keep the ties of your family that you left behind, establish an Islamic home for your family and fear Allah in all that you do.

Salafiyyah (Islam) is a way of life a Muslim should try to aspire to and not a cultish members only movement where people can expel who they want. This is why the concept of this question would be lost of most people in Saudi Arabia. They don’t look at Salafiyyah as a movement or cult as Westerners do. Salafiyyah includes raising your children properly, working and providing for one’s family, being neighborly and all of these things even if the people are not saying the word “salafee” at all. It is a natural thing and not a robotic cult.

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161 Comments on “Hijrah To KSA: Are There Salafee Communities and Where Are The Salafee Scholars In Saudi?”

  1. tariqnelson Says:

    On the last paragraph:

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Too many are looking for members of the club instead of fellow Muslims looking to improve their own lives and that of their families

  2. amatullah umismael Says:

    MashaAllah…you have put in such a wonderful blog what I have been struggling to try and say to so many people around me for years…subhanAllah the very actions of these type of people is what kept me away from “claiming” salafiyyah in my early years as a muslim, believing that salifiyyah is a way of life and not a clique/fashion to be mouthed! So many people who claim salafiyyah don’t even realize that their actions do not! I tend to stay away from those types whose tongues appear to speak before the brain kicks in. Thanks again for another pensive blog!

  3. muslimahlocs Says:

    as salaamu alaikum. good post. jak for putting such thought into sharing your experiences and reality.

  4. Al-Afriqi Says:

    salam alikum,
    First time caller, long time listener…
    Excellent post sister. Coming from Australia I must say your post and Umar Lee’s posts makes me wonder what is going on there with the brothers/sisters in the States! I can say to you that over here we have several successful Da’wah organisations which you could say are “salafi”, HOWEVER that is not highlighted or really discussed. A lot of the people who attend these classes wouldn’t even know what the word meant, and yet how many people have entered the deen and how many people who would be called “taqleedi” or other worse names run to them when they are in need of naseeha, financial help, marital guidance etc.
    “It is a natural thing and not a robotic cult.” Damn skippy!
    May Allah save us from people causing fitna.

    “Make it easy, and do not make it difficult” – RasulAllah (SAWS)

  5. muna Says:

    Excellent post sis. You have expressed so clearly everything I’ve thought about in the past few years since the disease of hypersalafiitis mutated and spread its ugliness amongst the various Muslim communitites. Many families were affected by it in Egypt also. If you studied Arabic at a school that was not approved by the head-salafi-in-charge(HSIC) or if you didn’t live in a certain area or if you didn’t know certain salafi”buzz words,” or if you didn’t attend classes given by HSIC or if you were not known to him and the members of his clique, you were off of it and blacklisted.
    Again great post and excellent advice.

  6. ummadam Says:

    Muna, at one point if you were even in Egypt! I remember the campagnd ran a few years ago to discourage people from going to Egypt. Shortly after that there was an influx of barely literate degree milled Muhajiroon in Saudi. Of course they go back to the States every summer with a fake accent, over priced garments to sale, and are doing lecture tours.

  7. amatullah umismael Says:

    Muna,

    Great use of words and acronyms!:) I especially love hypersalfiitis! perfect!!!!!

  8. ummbinat Says:

    Not to say that anything mentioned is wrong . . . but there are those who hate the salaaf, regardless of whether he or is ascribes to acronym or not. Personally, I try not to air out dirty laundry and re-hash the past. It just brings fuel to the fire. Anyway the negetive stuff comes from ignorance of the dawah and not any flaw in the dawah itself. Some people have trouble differenciating this fact. And love to jump on the anti- salafi bandwagon whenever or where ever it shows up. So for those us of who ascribe to salafia and are upon CLARITY – we end up being punching bags for people with grudges. So let’s make dua that Allah Subhana huwa ta’Ala increases us in ilm and try and focus on those aspects of the dawah that are positive, beautiful and inspiring. Amatullah, visit me . . . even though I haven’t been posting.

  9. Musleemah Says:

    I don’t live in Saudi, but in another Muslim country and I used to feel the same way when sisters would question me about the salafees here. It’s immature and a plain stupid question in the grand scheme of things when you realize that many American Muslims live around poverty or have in their own families holy ghost praising disbelievers.

    Hijrah is to be with the Muslims, the good and the bad, and Allah loves them both. If you have a problem showing patience, mercy and love for all Muslims, how salafee are you to begin with?

    UmmBinat, I disagree with your whole post. People are not ignorant of the dawah. That’s a weak and unfounded excuse. Muslims back in the west ARE familiar with those who claim salafiyyah. And it is because of that very fact that so many Muslims judged salaafees harshly.

    I would say that the majority of the hardline salafee claiming communities in America indeed have various problems in their minhaaj and the main one being that the minhaaj that they claim to be on with clarity is the farthest from the truth. Being apart of ahlul ilm is not something you can front and that is why so many salafees have problems when they make their hijrah to Saudi, Egypt or even Yemen. The haven’t learned the true basics of Islaam; the adab and akhlaq of a real Muslim.

    Salafiyyah is more than beards, overhead abayas, pants above the ankles, polygamy and having lots of children.

  10. Cappuccino Says:

    It is really upsetting that this group of “supersalafis” are calling other people “hisbie” and “jahil” when they themselves are a “hisb,” and to them everyone is going to hell unless we join their “hisb” and follow their ignorant way in life.

    I think anyone who follows the Sunna is following the Salaf and is therefore “Salafi”.

    To me choosing a friend would be through generel grounds of good manners and good tarbiyah of the children, and treating other Muslim sisters equally.

  11. al-boriqee Says:

    Allahu Akbar.

    it is pitiful that these wannabi salafis would endeover to turn the way of life into an “off and on the manhaj” thing. Iv’e been telling brothers for years that salafiyyah overthere is somehting totally different than over here. and what kills me is when they are stupid enough to beleive that they are acting upon salafiyyah when doing or saying

    [quote]When I told her that my friend claims to be salafee and even studies with one of the Shaykhs that she takes from, [B]she insisted that this was not true[/B][/quote]

    philly is the center of haddadees and everyone else in the world upon the salafi dawah is sunni.

    I would like to see there expression on their face when it is granted to them that Ibn uthaymeen took the position that labelling oneself salafi equalled ta’assub. of course they act as stupid as this sister in denying it like the fools that they are.

    sorry for harsh sentiments in this post, I just feel they should get that whcih they disseminate to others.

    oh and uh, the other “bida’ is their clear salafi manhaj. Just like the one you stressed about this dumb sister. And then they call Ubayd “Alamaah” and other titles like this wheras if the salafi scholars are appraoched, like fawzaaan, Luhaydaan, bakr Abu Zayd, they will be like “who”. Their scholars are nothing but rabee and Ubayd and Najmee. And if someone merely lifts the veil that they audaciously wish to put on themselves by pointing to them the reality of things, they get the same fate as that brother who is giving dawah that you mentioned above. They became those who ’speaks evil about the “scholars” as if one person equaled all the scholars o that he is represented of all the scholars.

    these jokers kill me in their ghuloo and jaahil murakaba
    we seek refuge in Allah from the jahil of haddadiyyah of the ghulaat Ameen

    asalamu alaikum

  12. amatullahumismael Says:

    ummbinaat,

    mashaAllah you are so correct! well said, alhamdulillah. we all just need to be upon clarity and not bring out negativity..WWRD? (what would Rasoolullah do?)where are you? lol…refresh my memory?

  13. Doctorah Says:

    Sad Sad Sad! I have lived in Saudi for some time now and I can tell you that if you are looking for a Salafi haven, you won’t find one here. You will find a bunch of salafi hermits and internet wanna be scholars. They are English teachers people! With Paltalk and Google Translator! Life is good here, don’t get me wrong. Come by all means, but leave your minhaaj issues behind.

  14. Al-Amreekee Says:

    The Doctorah, is correct. From my observations, American Salafies fare the worst in KSA in terms of adjusting. This is why they catch the first flight out with the non-Muslim Expats, in the summer. At least in the States they can go back with their heads held up high and pretend they are what they’re not.

    The “Where are the salafies in KSA?” question is silly. If they were serious then they would put this question to the Ulema in KSA. For the ones who are serious but are ignorant, then they would be shocked from the answer they would get from the Ulema, the Saudi layman, the muhajar, and anyone who has visited the Kingdom.

    This is not Salafi bashing, as I ascribe to all of the tenets of the dawah, but the label is really unnecessary.

  15. amatullahumismael Says:

    okay ummbinat,

    I see your website and I think I can guess who you arrrreeee. lol!

  16. Ride'n'DieSalafi Says:

    and why is this not a legitamate concern? Just because you live in a Muslim country doesn’t mean that you want to be surrounded by a bunch of misguided deviants! A salafi community is important wherever you go. So what if you are isolated, aren’t we to be in this world as strangers anyway? I’d rather live like a hermit and not expose my family to as much fitnah as I can. Most of the Muslims in Saudi are just bad Muslims anyway and not hizbies and it is better to be around sinners than hizbies anyday. I can’t find the quote but there are a lot of salaf that have this belief. Will the real salafies please stand up and set the record straight. Where are the salafies in KSA? there should be a network so that once we make hijrah we can all hook up and put an end to this no salafi community nonsense. I know people who made umrah and hajj with salafi groups and they recieved a warm welcome from the salafi community and shaikhs, so it does exist!

  17. Ride'n'DieSalafi Says:

    I recant that part about ‘most muslims in Saudi’. There are many good muslims there but the problem with the bad ones are that they are sinners and not so much as hizbis. so in that case they are better than a hizbi anyday. if any clear salafis have the dalil please put it here because i don’t have it written but i heard it somewhere before and saw it on a pdf file but i can’t cut and paste from that.

  18. PhillyBint Says:

    Na’am Philly is indeed the salafi mekka of the west. Many have made hijrah to Philly but the road don’t stop here. We still got GhettHOES and other brothers that we don’t want to be a fitnah for our awlaad. It is a hard choice to make though if there is no salafi community in Saudiyyah. At least in Philly we know who we is sitting with.


  19. I bet nobody ever considered the reason why he may have bounced to South Africa and gave up millions of dollars was because of manhaaj issues. He could have went to Saudi…

    “You got to be careful of the company you keep,” Chappelle says.http://forums.muslimvillage.net/lofiversion/index.php/t15261.html

    It seems like he listens more to the naseehah from the Ulema, than those loud mouth fools who claim to represent.
    In an interview, Chappelle said, “I don’t normally talk about my religion publicly because I don’t want people to associate me and my flaws with this beautiful thing. And I believe it is a beautiful religion if you learn it the right way. It’s a lifelong effort. Your religion is your standard. Coming here I don’t have the distractions of fame. It quiets the ego down. I’m interested in the kind of person I’ve got to become. I want to be well rounded and the industry is a place of extremes. I want to be well balanced. I’ve got to check my intentions, man.” Chappelle reportedly went to South Africa to purify himself and to do some soul searching.
    http://www.maniacmuslim.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3897.html

    I don’t think it is ignorance of the dawah or people having trouble differentiating. I think it is ignorant people who call themselves doing dawah.


  20. So what if you are isolated, aren’t we to be in this world as strangers anyway?

    That is a gross misunderstanding of the hadîth.

    I’d rather live like a hermit and not expose my family to as much fitnah as I can.

    Are you aware of the fact that in a hadîth published by Imams al-Bukhârî and Muslim, Prophet Muhammad (may Allah send salutations and peace upon him) said, «Be easy, do not be difficult. And be welcoming, do not be alienating»? In another authentic hadîth related by Imam Ibn Mâjah in his Sunan, he said that «the believer who mixes with the people and is patient towards their harm is greater in reward than the believer who does not mix with the people and is not patient towards their harm.»

    There’s quite a difference between exposing yourself and your family to clear deviances in religious beliefs and from exposing yourselves to everyday commoners walking around the streets of Saudi. Mixing with the Saudi common folk isn’t going to be like being bosom buddies with Hamza Yusuf … .

  21. al-boriqee Says:

    it was said

    “and why is this not a legitamate concern”

    no one said it wasnt a concern. You guys upon this manhaji manhaj always seem to read material between lines that is not there.

    “Will the real salafies please stand up and set the record straight. Where are the salafies in KSA”

    what ‘real’ salafis. You mean your Abu khadijah muqalid salafis.

    So this record you want settled, that being “where are the salafis” then

    1. the question, for every sane person out there is “where are there NOT salafis in the KSA.

    2. The satanic manhaj that allowed for the idea to run through the head of “where are salafis in KSA” bases itself on the idea that the dawatu-salafiyyah is an exclusivist manhaj booting out people until they come to the check points. Those check points being your western da’ees who aint got no ijaazah in nothing.

    Thats the problem with some people claiming to be salafi, is that everyone is deviant (guilty) if they don’t claim salafiyyah, and not only that, in the fashion and hype that they claim salafiyyah as. rather everyone is salafi/sunni unless there is underlying evidences in the persons itiqaad that necessitates them being an opposer of the salaf.

    if we, real salafis, understand that we do even negate salafiyyah from Imaams of hadeeth and sunnah like Nawawee, Ibn hajr, Ibnul-Jawzee based on their errornous outcomes in aqeedah and add along the fact that they are scholars who are less possible to make mistakes, then how are we to condemn as a default measure every zayd or amr walking down the street beleiving in our hearts that he is a deviant.

    “there should be a network so that once we make hijrah we can all hook up and put an end to this no salafi community nonsense.”

    go ahead and do that so that the generality of salafis everywhere can abandon you for your khariji style ta’assub as they already do now with your philadelphia half life talibul-ilm in madeenah and elsewhere.

    you guys would surely pass for Ibnul-Jawzee to put your western style salafiyyah in his talbis iblees

    and then you initiate your bida by saying

    “if any clear salafis have the dalil please put it here”

    what ‘clear salafis”.
    Did you know Shaykh Khalid radadee deemed it bida for “salafis’ who began the innovation of “clear” salafis. even Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee told you guys ‘there is only one salafiyyah there is NOT two” a person who is salafi is by default clear. Our salafis scholars have said this. Why is it that you do not heed the advise of the SALAFEE Scholars. Let me answer that for you. it is because your hizbi agendist da’ees hinder you from the truth that hurts them. Once a geroup fo people enter the hizbi side of things, then they are easliy duped to the manhaj of taking that which is for them and leaving that which is against them thus opposing the salafi way.

    We are salafis. dont deem us as “not clear’,that is a bida. if we are hizbis or deviants then say so. don’t hide your claims, rather say so openly.

    as for us, it is clear about the affair of those who initiate bida practices like you just did by which you bit off of your hizbi da’ees. I would welcome your fake salafi wannabis to state their claims and we could move on from there, but this is not a forum per se

    the fact is that you guys are hemmed up by shaytan and on that basis, when this is brouht to your attention of what brother rasheed said

    “There’s quite a difference between exposing yourself and your family to clear deviances in religious beliefs and from exposing yourselves to everyday commoners walking around the streets of Saudi. Mixing with the Saudi common folk isn’t going to be like being bosom buddies with Hamza Yusuf … .”

    then the truth of this goes completely out the window with whatever silly bida concepts you invent for yourselves. You know whats even more ironic, you even treat the kuffar, and even the clear enemies of islam more properly than an everyday average muslim on the street and having less husn adhaan for him than a stinkin cottin pickin kafir. And i know you you satanically justify that with the valid salafi saying “the mubtadiah are worse than the kuffar” and then satanically twist the practice and fahm of this saying of our salf to be other than what they have intended it to be.

    do yourself a favor brother, go seek ilm from a shaykh, and when you do, do not seek the tahreef and t’awil of your corupted western da’ees so that you can get the pure pristine salafiyyah that you so ardently seek. but I warn you, if you do that, you will be deemed hizbi, and not salafi, just as your crew does unto others who do infact learn straight from the scholars. Why? because you will realize that salafiyyah as understood and viewed by real salafis and the shiyookh as-salafiyyah is on a galaxy completely different and opposite of what you guys seem to mistakenly think of it.

    thats my sincere advice to you before you blast us off the dawah by calling us hizbis trying to “attack salafiyyah”

    asalamu alaikum

  22. muna Says:

    RideNDieSalafi:

    If isolation is what you prefer when you make hijrah to a muslim country then isolation you shall have! Will the clear salafis welcome you when you make hijrah? How will you prove your salafiyyah? Will you present the HSIC with a letter of recommendation from a known salafi masjid attesting to your salafiyyah? Will the clear salafis know who you sit with and who your companions are? Even if you have all of the attributes of a clear salafi you will still be considered a “potential” hizbi until proven otherwise. So now that it will take some time before you are admitted into the circles of the clear salafis. What will you do now? Who is welcoming you to this new,unfamiliar country? Who will you network with? The natives? Nah! You probably don’t even want to be seen giving salams to those sinners, hizbis and deviants. So what will your family be doing while they are sitting isolated in the house in a foreign country? Who will your children play with while you are looking for the schools the salafis send their kids to?

    More importantly how long will you last in a muslim country in this isolated state before you give up and run back home?

  23. ummadam Says:

    Muna, your comments were eerie! Honestly, that is the situation many people have placed themselves in. I have seen people bend over backwards to smooch up to the HSIC and get no respect. I have several ’secret’ Salafee friends, who like me but do not want to acknowledge it. I once had sisters show happiness to see me until the HSIC walked in the room and they ran away from me and ran to her and in plain view huddled together to discuss my salafiyyah. Looking at me, then diverting the eyes when I looked and all! After, that they remained cordial, but distant for the remainder of the gathering. At the end of the gathering the HSIN approached me and whispered in my ear (after an earlier loud display of who was salafee and who wasn’t), that she knew I was clear because Dawud Adib told her I was clear…just ignorant of the situation. Gee thanks!

    I have seen Salafees make pleas on general(non-Muslim) Expat message boards for information on Saudi. On several occasions I have responded to them and never once have they said anything back to me, yet I have seen them reply to a kafir who answered their inquiry.

    I will say that if you are a Western Convert, who made hijrah to KSA (perhaps Egypt and Yemen as well), and you are not married to a local – more than likely you all share the same general concepts. I have not met a Muslim, such as I desribed who had any beliefs that warrant abandonment and warning against. I have met plenty Western wives of locals whose Islam is even questionable, but most converts who come here are basically on the same thing and the ones who aren’t made it clear that they hate the S=word, so there is no question about their position. Their practices and beliefs are obvious. I always wonder why some salafees go out of their way to only pick on other people who claim the same aqeedah and manhaj they do. Why look into the faults and shortcomings of someone who is trying to practice the Quran and Sunnah to the best of their ability (not that they should focus on anyone’s faults but their own). It seems more times than not that the very people being picked on impliment the Quran and Sunnah in their life better than the fault finder. Perhaps it’s hasad?


  24. Perhaps it’s hasad?

    It definitely is in some cases.

  25. ummadam Says:

    al-boriqee, as far as the three scholars you mentioned (Rabee, Ubayd, and Najmee) and I say this with all due respect to them…they are not the only people of knowledge here. I have read the official why that a scholar is determined, but can someone tell me how the scholars presented anmd pumped up to the Western Salafees are picked? I mean there are literally masajid in every neighborhood (more than one), several Universities graduating annually students of knowledge. Even by the time the kids have finished primary school they have more ilm than the Western student in the arabic Mahad or the first year of The Islamic University. How is it that out of a country where even a child from a non religious family has more ilm than the adverage western convert, can people say “there are no salafee scholars in that area”? And when questioned on how they determined that, they will give you a list of students of Shaykh Rabia’s and if one of his students are not on that list then they will not attend any other gatherings. I’ve been invited on a few occasions to attend the daroos of ‘The Salafee Shaykh of the Eastern Province’, and all I can do is think of how many more people and students of knowledge are in the area and then I am shocked when they label one person as “The salafee Shaykh”. I’ve heard the same about other areas. I know some people were excited when they discovered a “Salafee Shaykh” in Hail.

  26. Salafisister Says:

    Perhaps, people shy away from you because of your associates. Mrs.Umm Aadaam a.k.a Umm Sawdah a.k.a Intisaar y.a.f.n. (you aint fooling nobody) Strangesister. You are residing in the cradle of knowledge. Shut up and start seeking some! You have a handful of post in your ad dawatul salafiyyah category (and who is the author of those post? I have never heard of him)and countless others in you Tales From The Hood and blah blah blah.What are you calling to? Your adventures or the dawah? You know what that spells sister? That is knowledge which does NOT benefit. Stop linking to people who have animosity towards the dawah such as your links for. “The Rise and Fall of the Salafi Dawah”, “Cults”, and “movements” and for the love of salafiyyah stay away from the National board of attention seeking hizbees over at ayha.org and you may just get some love, because trust and believe my sister that post like these:

    http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1506&highlight=
    Exposing our noble sisters and brothers!

    and

    http://www.siratemustaqeem.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4311&highlight=

    will get you no love! You were all good until you started hatin on the salafies and sympathising with the khalafies.

  27. Salafisister Says:

    I should have known you wouldn’t approve my post!

  28. ummadam Says:

    I don’t moderate this blog. I just checked the spam and will now send in post that were held back, for whatever reason.

  29. Hasan Says:

    I normally don’t post but I read the forums often, but this issue is very important and real light needs to be shed for brothers and sisters like myself who have no knowledge but understand that what is being portrayed as Salafiyyah is wrong and and an injustice to the dawah.
    It is amazing how this communication is felt by people or shall I say muslims who are trying to live this religion to the best of our abilities. Not until a few years ago did I find out that there were more than the 3-7 scholars to take from.It seem every other day that someone was being taken ” OFF IT ” by the common people. For years We were told in atlanta that the administration of ther masjid was should be view as the rulers. Alhamdulillah things are changing more people are busying themselves with trying to learn this religion, regardless of the disadvantages. For me I began to realize that this religion should not be about isolation and jazakaAllahu khairan for the brother who gave the dalil about mixing with the people. It is sad that you can have a group of brothers who attend a masjid boycotting a brother who may have made a mistake and try to reconcile with them, yet does not speak out against the shirk that is being openly displayed by a church in the same parking lot.

  30. ummadam Says:

    Hasan, can you believe that back in the day I thought it was only 40 hadeeth!? My point is, this is ignorance. I was from an ignorant background (NOI…W.D). Nobody, actually came out and said that there were only 40 hadeeth, so I have nobody to blame but my own ignorant self. 40 hadeeth were all that were presented to us and that was suffient to us. We had no idea of how vast Islamic knoledge is. It pains me to see others put themselves in such a bubble.

  31. muna Says:

    Umm Adam said:

    “I always wonder why some salafees go out of their way to only pick on other people who claim the same aqeedah and manhaj they do.”

    This is what pains me the most. They ostracize the very same people who can give them the community and support they are seeking when they move to a muslim country. The ones who will welcome them with open arms, those who will give them their full rights as neighbors and guests, those who will be with them every step of the way until they have adjusted to their new environment, those who are striving to the best of their ability to live their lives in a way that is pleasing to Allah, those who are striving to implement the Quran and Sunnah in their lives as practiced by the Salaf.

    Do they want that? NO, they would rather be with the sinners,they would rather be companions of the women who strip down to their G-strings in front of potential husbands but her salafiyyah is jayid jiddan. They would rather be companions of the men who have illicit conversations and meetings with women but he is a clear salafi. I wonder if The Salaf did these things and if they claim salafiyyah, shouldn’t they know better?

    When the salafi arabic language school opened in Cairo, most people will were so disgusted by the antics and divisonary tactics of the HSIC they refused to attend. There goes the support of the community.

    The reputation of the American salafi is so tarnished, that even the other immigrant groups do not want to be bothered with you because they don’t know if you are one of those “on it/off it” people. So you are out in the cold again until you prove yourself. Some people won’t even associate with you when they hear you are from Philly!

    I feel it is important to discuss these issues because we have to begin to rebuild our community especially the community in muslim lands. We SO need each other over here where we are ajnabi(foreigners). Our children need each other. Our children have to see other children who look like them and share the same background as them. We have to establish schools for our children or at least a study group, we have to have righteous companions with whom we can compete with in doing charitable deeds, we need marriage counselors and mental health counselors, we need to establish a fund that will help other muhajiroon when they experience hard times.
    But before any of these things can be achieved we have to gather our stray sheep and welcome them back to the fold with love,sincerity, forgiveness and gentle advising without abandonment.

    Ya Rab! Help the muslims.

  32. ummadam Says:

    Muna, stop before you make me cry! You need a blog :)


  33. salafisister you took me back to why i had leave “salafi dawa” all those charater assisination on SS-yahoogroups, you people are like vultures just looking for he next “victim” may allah guide you.

    UmmAdam- keep up the good work, dont let these foolish women who are clearly jealous , drag you down.

  34. Asiya/cairowash Says:

    Salafisister said

    “You are residing in the cradle of knowledge. Shut up and start seeking some!”

    Well, if you look in some of the previous posts, you will realize that she is attending a tahfeeth al-Qur’an school! So she is seeking knowledge actually, she’s memorizing the Book of Allaah. What more do you want from her for God’s sake? To sit in one of the infamouse Usool al-Thalaathah circles (it’s actually “Thalaathatul-Usool”, but I’m calling it how the clear ignoramouses call it, LOL!!!)? THEN her salafiyyah would be clear, right? Please, give me break.

  35. tariqnelson Says:

    Muna makes some excellent points, masha Allah. We need to live in the real world for a change instead of this falsely constructed fantasy

  36. al-boriqee Says:

    It was said

    “If isolation is what you prefer when you make hijrah to a muslim country then isolation you shall have! Will the clear salafis welcome you when you make hijrah? How will you prove your salafiyyah? Will you present the HSIC with a letter of recommendation from a known salafi masjid attesting to your salafiyyah? Will the clear salafis know who you sit with and who your companions are? Even if you have all of the attributes of a clear salafi you will still be considered a “potential” hizbi until proven otherwise. So now that it will take some time before you are admitted into the circles of the clear salafis. What will you do now? Who is welcoming you to this new,unfamiliar country? Who will you network with? The natives? Nah! You probably don’t even want to be seen giving salams to those sinners, hizbis and deviants. So what will your family be doing while they are sitting isolated in the house in a foreign country? Who will your children play with while you are looking for the schools the salafis send their kids to? ”

    the real salafis, the students of knowledge. Thats who.

    So yes I will like isolation from hizbis and I will have acceptance from salafis.

    The entirety of the people who accept and follow the dawah of salafiyyah did not have in their manhaj course that they had to have a “letter of recomendation” from a masjid in order to attest to what they are. Only hizbi organizations like the ikhwaan and the qutbiyyah behave in such hizbi like manner.

    and then you said

    “More importantly how long will you last in a muslim country in this isolated state before you give up and run back home?”

    Longer than your fake taalibul-ilm who run back home after a few months of studentship because they can’t handle the hardship.

    sister ummadam said

    “al-boriqee, as far as the three scholars you mentioned (Rabee, Ubayd, and Najmee) and I say this with all due respect to them…they are not the only people of knowledge here. I have read the official why that a scholar is determined, but can someone tell me how the scholars presented anmd pumped up to the Western Salafees are picked”

    I know they are not the only ulema there. Im not a haddadi. Only haddadees behave like this.

    The reason why they are picked, as I used to be a haddadee, is because the western haddadi wannabi salafi’s are “infatuated with refuting and warning” as Alamaah Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbadd said in his reply to the three mashaykh mentioned and the other shaykh they they made into a mujahid and fighter for the sunnah, Faalih al-Harbi.

    Quite naturally, since their hearts are infatuated with the blasting of people out the dawah, they will cling to scholars who “SEEM” to behave likwise. So shaykhana Rabee Bin Hadee , Ubayd, and Falih and Fawzee were the “greatest champions” of the sunnah and the kibaarul-ulema to these western wannabis of salafiyyah due to their involvement with the issues that their ignorant muqalid followers had an infatuation for.

    That is the reason why these ulema, who don’t have a great level at all in he eyes of the kibaar ulema like Bakr Abu Zayd, Luhaydan, Ghudayan, Tuwayjiree, al-Qu’ood, Abdullah ibn Munay, Ibn Jibreen, ar-Rajihee, Fawzaan, Shaykhul-Hanabilah Abdullah Ibn Aqil, and a whole host of ulema who’s toenail is more reputable then the names of these mashaykh that are “kibaarul-ulema” to these western juhaal, are raised beyond the level that they are. Take my word for it sister, I was one of them and rasheed could bear witness to that as well.

    it was said by khalafisister

    “Perhaps, people shy away from you because of your associates. Mrs.Umm Aadaam a.k.a Umm Sawdah a.k.a Intisaar y.a.f.n. (you aint fooling nobody) Strangesister. You are residing in the cradle of knowledge. Shut up and start seeking some! You have a handful of post in your ad dawatul salafiyyah category (and who is the author of those post? I have never heard of him)”

    the key words here are “I never heard of him”. Thats right. You don’t concern yourself with the knowledge and its people. That is why if it doesnt have Rabee, Ubayd, Najmee, Fawzee, or maybe even Fawzaan’s name on it, then you inevitably haven’t got a clue who they are.

    “National board of attention seeking hizbees over at ayha.org ”

    at least the amount of hizbis at ahya do not enumerate as much as the hizbis at hizbitalk

    It was said by hasan

    “Not until a few years ago did I find out that there were more than the 3-7 scholars to take from.It seem every other day that someone was being taken ” OFF IT ” by the common people. For years We were told in atlanta that the administration of ther masjid was should be view as the rulers.”

    I know what you mean, I used to go to salafu-saalih. Then I was one of the original brothers who left with a couple others due to their hizbiyyah. Al-hamdulillah the turht has been exposed and Khaleef at the Masjid at-Tawheed is connected with the ulema, whom those hizbis at khalafui-talih were trying to make Khaleef into a hizbi ikhwaane. Those fools, they got lamblasted by the scholars including Khalid ar-Radadee.

    I don’t know who you are, but some of hte brothers remember me. At any rate,Allah should be praised for half way anialating the hizbiyyah of these haddadiyoon and bringing the masses of salafis to masjid tawheed, the true salafi masjid in Atl.

    Asiya said

    “(it’s actually “Thalaathatul-Usool”, but I’m calling it how the clear ignoramouses call it, LOL!!!)? ”

    actually it is usoolu-thalatha. But that is the main crux of the haddade fitnah. They don’t know arabic. It is their ignroance to the arabic that lands them to where they are at. That is why salafis who know arabic actually are salafi as a reality and have a way more subtle, justice, approach to almost every issue. These juhaal are just a bunch of hizbi misfits.

    an example of their misfit behavior is when this ride n die salafi brought the bida of his innovating freinds of “clearsalafi”. After I mentioned to him the bidic nature of tis bida and that no one of the salaf nor anyone in the last thousand years had the view of tweo salafi camps
    1. shubuhaat
    2. clear salafis.

    after all of this he still remains convinced of the bida notion of clear salafi as if the salafi is by default “not clear” until he he gets authorized by the the few hizbis of their click.

    I think I should have a talk with some of the students to see if Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbadd would be able to finally end your hizbi fitna for the salafis once and for all by eradicating you out of existence or exposing you to the masses of salafis for who they are.

    anyways can someone please tell me what is this HSIC

    Since I don’t have as freinds a bunch of hizbis (because Im salafi) then I wouldnt know of this hizbi group.

    asalamu alaikum


  37. Brother Ali,

    The message you replied to was directed at “Ride’n'DieSalafi”, not you (unless Ride’n'Die is you under a different name).


  38. … and a whole host of ulema who’s toenail is more reputable then the names of these mashaykh that are “kibaarul-ulema” to these western juhaal, are raised beyond the level that they are

    Brother Ali, fear Allah. I highly doubt you have the right to make such a judgement.

    at least the amount of hizbis at ahya do not enumerate as much as the hizbis at hizbitalk

    Seriously, Ali, you’ve got to be kidding me.

    actually it is usoolu-thalatha. But that is the main crux of the haddade fitnah. They don’t know arabic.

    The treatise has had both titles used for it, and I’m pretty sure that using either one is correct. As for the blanket statement that the (so-called) “Haddâdîs” don’t know Arabic, such a general statement is blatantly false and unjust. Be fair and just people. Those who champion Shaikh ‘Abdul-Muhsin al-’Abbâd as the destroyer of the (so-called) “Haddâdî” turmoil seem to forget that the advice he forwarded in both editions of Rifqan Ahl as-Sunnah bi Ahl as-Sunnah and in al-Hath ‘alâ Ittibâ’ as-Sunnah wat-Tahdhîr min al-Bida’ wa Bayân Khatarihâ applies to us as much as it does to them; he addressed the advice and admonition to “Ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jamâ’ah“, the lenient, the moderate, and the extreme among them.

  39. al-boriqee Says:

    akhee rasheed

    I know it was directed to ride n die salafi.

    I fear Allah as much as i can. I do not have to act in this fashion when it is clear as to where the scholars stand especially when it is the scholars who namely speak on this. however i seek forgivenes in Allah for being hasty in saying this rather blanket statement and not attributable to at least Shaykh Rabee. Besides, Im not the one who degraded these mashaykh, these muqalids do that. Ask one of them if they even know the intricate fiqh details of Shaykh Rabee hafidhahullah. In fact, ask them if they know simpply one stance of our shaykh on lets say something as simple as raful-yadayn. Wallahi they dont know jack about him except for
    1. whatever got translated into english concerning his refutations of some people
    2. some of his ijtihaadi opinions on jarh wa t’adeel and
    3. the only beneficial books by him that got translated, that being manhaj al-anbiyyah, status of ahlul-hadeeth and the methodology of criticising people. thats it

    where is his Nukaat alaa Kitaab Ibnus-Salaah or his tahqiq of al-madkhaal Ilaa Saheeh or his majaazafat al-Hidaad, or one that I would really like to look into, is his Nasrul-Azeez alaa raddil-Wajeez. Based on the title, it seems like clarifying the bizaareness of Ghazaali’s fiqh work “al-Wajeez”. So where is all of this. Well for salafis, it is with us, but for them, it is of no concern. Heck, if their hizbi da’ee musa richardson had the audacity to in effect that knowledge of knowing who people are is more important than TAWHEED, then what is the relevance of fiqh, rijaal, mustalah, and usool in the grand scheme of things.

    you said

    “Seriously, Ali, you’ve got to be kidding me”

    so you doubt it. you think all are hizbis, or do you think those ghulaat are not so and ahya is.

    and yes both titles can be used but the more correct sayin is what was stated by me previously. but at nay rate you said that saying that they havent a shred of arabic is false and incorrect.

    name one arabic speaking person who is not one of their da’ees who is upon this manhaj. Maybe you could find one up in your neck of the woods, But In the entirety of the south, not one has showed up. Even the ones who do speak arabic (which is like 3) and still side for the ghulaati point of view usually tend to be the calmer and quite ones while the Allahu Akbar”CH” recitin (in salah) fools are the ones yelling and making judgements on a persons Islam.

    and yes, this, to me, is rifq. Beleive me when I say Im holding back for the sake of rifq. There are things I could have went off on at numerous places, but hey, Even Imaam Taqiu-deen spoke on the one who repels the one who does haraam with haraam.

    Barakallahu feek for your advise. i will try my best to be more gentler or not say nothing at all.

    asalamu alaikum

  40. Shariq Says:

    Al-Boriqee you’re funny akhi. I second brother Rasheed’s advice to you, that you need to sit down if your standing, lie down if your sitting, make wudhoo before you type otherwise maybe you should just go to sleep. Cause you seem to be saying things that will make you regret. U repeatedly misunderstood people’s posts on here, all in the heat of your rant, you thought people were referring to you when they werent, you then went onto make ludicrous statements about some mashayikh such as shaykh rabee’ (not the others) who is very much respected amongst the scholars here and now what you make him out to be, then you make a 180 turn on ur tone regarding the shaikh, praising him like you are one of his close admirers. All of this shows that you are writing your posts without thinking properly. You can say what you want in a more calm and less rushed manner which would save you the trouble of making yourself look confused on a world wide blog available for everyone to see.

  41. Asiya Says:

    Not to keep an argument going, but I’m looking at the book here and in clearly reads “Thalaathatul-Usool”. So where are you getting this Usoolu Thalaathah from? We are talking about the same book here, aren’t we? The 3 fundamental principles, right?

    Also, isn’t “Usoolu-Thalaathah” an “idaafah phrase”, making the meaning “principles of the three”??? Or do you mean “Al-Usool al-Thalaathah”? Which, from what I understand, is a whole other book written by Ibn Abdul-Wahhaab as well? Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

  42. Yusuf Says:

    Thalaathatul-Usool (ثلاثة الأصول) and Al-Usool ath-Thalaathah (الأصول الثلاثة) are two different, though similar, books. The second one is shorter was written in easier language to be used to teach children. Shaykh Saalih Aal ash-Shaykh mentions this in his explanation of Thalaathatul-Usool and if you look at accurate publishings of the two books then you will see the differences — wa-Allahu ‘alam.

  43. Asiya Says:

    Okay I confess, I shouldn’t have used the term “ignoramouses” either, but that post by salafisister just brought back too many memories of the many ignoramouses I’ve known. I’ve been out the States for almost 3.5 years now alhamdu lillaah, and words like hers serve as a painful reminder that not much has really changed over there. May Allaah help us, ameen.


  44. so you doubt it.
    I’m not sure if you remember, but quite some time ago when Siraat.net was still functioning, I made a statement concerning that forum being one of the worst out there and I still believe that they are. I’m glad and thank Allah that their forum’s participation isn’t what it used to be.

    As for the other stuff, I’m not going to bother commenting as it will probably only lead to more back and forth type posts and this a sister’s blog, not a discussion forum.

    To sister Asiya, I’ve seen the books title written both ways. I’ve also seen it written as “ath-Thalâthah al-Usūl” (as it’s written in the title of Shaikh Zaid al-Madkhalî’s explanation of it – طريق الوصول إلى إيضاح الثلاثة الأصول). However, if what brother Yusuf says is true (I haven’t heard of the two titles being for two different books, and I don’t have/can’t find the mentioned explanation by Shaikh Sâlih Âl ash-Shaikh), then that would explain the difference. Jazâkallah khairan Yusuf for that clarification.


  45. Oops, I used the wrong tag to close the block quote at the beginning of my post.

    Sister Umm Adam, could you kindly edit it for me? Jazâkillah khaira.

  46. Musleemah Says:

    But ukhti Asiya most of them are ignoramuses. Problem is they don’t know it and thus the are in need of the naseehah. Albeit, not in the harsh manner that they have branded their own, but the truth has to be said.

    I can’t lie, I love the Muslims, but wallah, I am glad to be away from American salafies and in a land where the word Muslim still has the honor Allah intended it to have.

    These people are real fitan, half the time I am reminded that I must continue to have patience, love and mercy with these people because even with all the venom they spit and hurdles the put in our lives, they are our own and I have in my heart this undying love for them because of it. Then other times the hurt is overbearing, Mashallah. If I never saw, heard or spoke to another one until I died, I wouldn’t worry.

    How do you all find a balance to deal with people like RideN’DieSalafi or SalafiSister and be consistent with it when they are consistently spouting their evil and hurting the Muslims?

    >>At least in Philly we know who we is sitting with

  47. Musleemah Says:

    >>At least in Philly we know who we is sitting with.

  48. Musleemah Says:

    Oops!! I’m sorry.

    At least in Philly we know who we is sitting with.

    This is a clear cut, USDA grade A prime example of ignorance. La hawla wala quwatta illa billa.

    May Allah make it easy for you Phillybint and all those Muslims who share your intellect to stay right where you are.

  49. al-boriqee Says:

    akhee shariq says

    “Al-Boriqee you’re funny akhi. I second brother Rasheed’s advice to you, that you need to sit down if your standing, lie down if your sitting, make wudhoo before you type otherwise maybe you should just go to sleep. Cause you seem to be saying things that will make you regret. U repeatedly misunderstood people’s posts on here, all in the heat of your rant, you thought people were referring to you when they werent, you then went onto make ludicrous statements about some mashayikh such as shaykh rabee’ (not the others) who is very much respected amongst the scholars here and now what you make him out to be, then you make a 180 turn on ur tone regarding the shaikh, praising him like you are one of his close admirers. All of this shows that you are writing your posts without thinking properly. You can say what you want in a more calm and less rushed manner which would save you the trouble of making yourself look confused on a world wide blog available for everyone to see.”

    1. I accept the advice. i think Im over it now barakallahu feek.

    2. where did i “repeatedly” misunderstand peoples post here. No i didnt think people were adressing me. if you didnt not understand the direction of my statements i don’t think you have the audacity to think that i thought people were adressing me. I know who they were adressing. i wasn’t speaking in opposition to the bulk of the people here, I was adressing none other than he two rather ghulaati side of ’salafis” that being ride ndie and i forget the other name.

    3. Who said I made “ludicrous” statements about shaykh rab’ee and “NOT ABOUT OTHERS”. Maybee you din’t get what i said when I wrote
    “however i seek forgivenes in Allah for being hasty in saying this rather blanket statement and NOT attributable to at least Shaykh Rabee”
    So in this gist, I excluded Shaykh Rabee from the rest due to my aknowledgement of his high status and ilm, not even those ghulaat have no knowledge of. therefore you completely understood the opposite of thinking I singled him out from the others. And your accusing me of misunderstanding

    4. What did i make him out to be. please explain my words to mean other than what they actually said. Whats funny is that many of us make t’awil of other peoples statements completely opposing its dhaahir, just like ash’aris.

    5. I praised him becuase it is his due. i did not know one has to be a student of his to be an admirer. Im not a qutbi or some of those salafis who have an inside hatred for him just because he “critized” those deviants salman and Safar and marabi and others. beleive me, im on the “right” side of things, at least according to the ghulaat. the only difference is that I look into the arguements and compare with what other scholars have said, whereas they, if his name is on it, then it must by default be sunnah and accepted, and then wala and baraa is based on his statements. that is the fundamental difference. im not a muqalid, they are.

    6. please share with us where is my confusion. The only confusion is in your t’awil of what I actually said.

    Akh rasheed
    “I’m not sure if you remember, but quite some time ago when Siraat.net was still functioning, I made a statement concerning that forum being one of the worst out there and I still believe that they are.”

    I understand and remember when you said that. But you did not given reason as to why they are so. my hatred for them is on more relevent matter of our deen, that being their devition in emaan and kufr, rather than this silly haddadiyyah fitnah, coupled with their stalinist style deletion of whoever opposes them, just like their hizbi counterparts at khalafitalk.

    and yes rasheed, they are two books, one writtern before ands after, i just don’t know the details of it which is why each is labelled switched up.

    all n all ikhwaan, sorry for my “hastiness’ if i offended anyone. But you know me rasheed, Its too darn hard for me to not grant back to people what they do unto others. I have more patience dealing with kalami zanadiqah more so than them. maybe its just their level of jahil murakaba by whcih they surpise this murakab to another state. maybe its wahm, and on that premise do not have patience in dealing with this level of idiocy and delusion and chocalate coated with a bold sense of “yeah it is like this”.

    asalamu alaikum

  50. al-boriqee Says:

    cappicinno said

    “I think anyone who follows the Sunna is following the Salaf and is therefore “Salafi”.”

    that is what a salafi is, a sunni. just like an athari, is by default a salafi.

    Our Imaam Ahmad said

    “The sunnah with us is what the companions were upon”

    This immense statement entails some fundamental realities. Some of them are the fact
    that Ahmad
    1. did not begin with the Quraan
    2. did not begin with the Sunnah of the prophet. Why, because
    3. he started off with saying that this sunnah is the sunnah of what the
    companions were upon.

    So to us there is no quraan except upon the way the companions understood it, there is no
    sunnah of the prophet except the way the companions understood that sunnah. So without
    being upon the way of the companions i.e. tariqa asalafiyyah, one will not, EVER, attain
    the quran nor the sunnah in any aspect. That reality is realized by Ahmad who was
    reported to have said something to the effect of “the one who traverses upon kalaam and
    arrives at what is right is in error and the one who is upon sunnah and lands on something
    wrong is still correct” while the obvious application of it was to the ahlul-kalaam, it is
    understood to be generally anything other than the way of the companions, and since
    sunnah equals, at least to Ahmad, the way of the companions and anything other than
    their way cannot ever be sunnah, EVER.
    This reality would mean by default that the sunnah is limited and only found in the way
    our companions were found to have done. That means a sunni is what they, the salaf,
    were. Sunnah does not lie in other than their way, and on that premise anyone who is
    sunni is by default salafi. Since the athari creed is nothing but the enumeration or the
    corpus of creedal aspects laid down and implemented by our salaf, then it follows that
    anyone who follows the athari aqeedah is by default salafi. And the world of Islam is
    based upon the understanding of the sunnah being, what the companions were upon.

    This is what the actuality of salafiyyah is.

    As for how it is viewed by these sorry to say, juhaal, then it is whoever is deemed so by the head of their henchmen. If yor not with us, then yo must be a hizbi.

    I would rather be a hizbi in the sight of a hizbi than a hizbi in the sight of a salafi.

    as for an extra advise to those making hijrah. i say observe how the salafi arabs are upon and act in their akhlaaq. Look at the scholars and their close students and see their dimeanor. And on that premise use what you seen from them to see if you see the same in an american western convert. if you dont, then leave this guy, if you do then wal-hamdulillah. that is if you attach yourself to a western convert, the probability ratio of him being a hizbi muqalid is greater than one who is not.

    asalamu alaikum

  51. ummadam Says:

    al-boriqee, reread muna’s post. as a matter of fact read both of her post and you will see which post it is you misunderstood. HSIC = Head Salafee In Charge.

    Sad thing is that if you really didn’t have people forcing bayaans out of people, al-boriqee would not have misunderstood what the sister was saying. Unfortunately, I’m use to this now. Nobody trust anybody any more and now everyone is on defense mode. I had a sister ask me if I knew another sister and I froze for a minute. My answer was, “I don’t really know her but I met her.” That is a shame. A few years ago my answer would have been given with a big warm smile and, “YES! I met her! You know her too? Masha’Allah.”

    I was at a salafi pinic and it was with AA sisters from another city here. I was so happy to be around other AA (I love all the Muslims but let’s be real, I am the only AA my kids know!), but I barely even got salaams from anybody there. I sat on my own little blanket by myself and my kids were so sad. Our family was ignored, excpet for my nephew and husband. I’m not saying it was because of a manhaj thing, because none of the sisters even bothered to find out my name. that was the sad reality, that they were suppose to be salafi yet one of the first adab lesson you learn as a Muslim is that, you don’t just give salaam to ppl u know. I was shocked to see such a lack of adab.I will make some excuses and accept some of the blame. we were outdoors, all covered, watching our kids, and socialiozation was little to none by most not just me. Also, I did not go out of my way to meet and greet others either. Why not? Because, and I maybe wrong for this, but based on my internet experiences with introducing myself and getting the cold shoulder, I did not want to do it in person. Also the ealier Eid I reffered to when two sisters who knew me well from the states and were at one time, “my girls” were scared to be seen with me once the HSIC arrived.

    Can’t we all just get along?

  52. al-boriqee Says:

    it was said

    “al-boriqee, reread muna’s post. as a matter of fact read both of her post and you will see which post it is you misunderstood. HSIC = Head Salafee In Charge”

    1. thanks for clarifying that imbecilic title

    2. why are you people so insistant that I was adressing somebody that in reality i was not adressing. I read the sisters post and I was not directly talking to her. Please someone show me where in this entire page did you people “assume” that i was adressing somebody that I “misunderstood’ was really not addressing me.

    Please show me because i have absolutely no clue what rasheed, you and shariq are talking about and what supposed statement that i made that alledgedly made you guys assume I was adressing someone whom I “supposedly’ thought was addressing me.

    and sister, dear sister, Dont be disenheartened by what these heretical fools behave. I don’t see the reason why salafis, who actually take the pains of being a salafi AS A REALITY, become disheartened by what these gangster style hizbis do to them. I would feel damn glad that i am abanoned by a bunch of fools that are themselves abandoned by the scholars who spoke specifically about them. there is no need nor any room to feel welcome and accepted among the hizbiyyah of these notorious gangster salafi wannabis. Feeling sad about this is like feeling sad you are abandoned by the ash’aris, maturidis, deobandis and whoever else opposes the tariqa of as-salaf. it makes no sense to me.

    so when you say

    “Can’t we all just get along?”

    yeah, once these hizbis come back to the sunnah, and not a second before. How do you expect to get along with someone who contends with the sunnah. This is the sad part about some “real” salafis behaving as if these people are ’still upon the sunnah” and bahving as if by enjoining them on the sunnah they will suitably follow your call to the sunnah. Fat chance for whoever is gullible enough to think in this fashion. they are hizbis opposing the dawah of Allah in this very matter.

    Rabee blatsed them
    Abdul-Muhsin blasted them
    fawzaan blasted them
    Wasiullah blasted them
    raddadee blasted them

    What does a salafi do when they hear advice and adhere to the warning of “salafi’ scholars. they hear and obey.

    now with that being said, what is the state of someone who “claims” to be salafi and does no listen to the scholars by not hearing and obeying. How can you still remain scabuzled under the notion that they are still “ahlu-Sunnah” in totality. Do you realize what type of people you are dealing. You are dealing with a people who beleive that knowing who people are as their manhaj is more important than tawheed. Not even sufis stoop to such a low. My advice, dont get sad get gald, besides, on the day that you will not give a damn about your own mama and baby, you will be supremely glad in taking the hasanat of the mufliseen.

    With these two key aspects, i dont understand in any fashion how a real salafi could be disenheartened by the atrocities of the oppoenents of the dawah of ahlu-sunnah.

    asalamu alaikum

  53. ummadam Says:

    al-boriqee Says:
    June 8th, 2007 at 10:17 pm e
    It was said

    “If isolation is what you prefer when you make hijrah to a muslim country then isolation you shall have! Will the clear salafis welcome you when you make hijrah? How will you prove your salafiyyah? Will you present the HSIC with a letter of recommendation from a known salafi masjid attesting to your salafiyyah? Will the clear salafis know who you sit with and who your companions are? Even if you have all of the attributes of a clear salafi you will still be considered a “potential” hizbi until proven otherwise. So now that it will take some time before you are admitted into the circles of the clear salafis. What will you do now? Who is welcoming you to this new,unfamiliar country? Who will you network with? The natives? Nah! You probably don’t even want to be seen giving salams to those sinners, hizbis and deviants. So what will your family be doing while they are sitting isolated in the house in a foreign country? Who will your children play with while you are looking for the schools the salafis send their kids to? ”

    the real salafis, the students of knowledge. Thats who.

    So yes I will like isolation from hizbis and I will have acceptance from salafis.

    The entirety of the people who accept and follow the dawah of salafiyyah did not have in their manhaj course that they had to have a “letter of recomendation” from a masjid in order to attest to what they are. Only hizbi organizations like the ikhwaan and the qutbiyyah behave in such hizbi like manner.

    and then you said

    “More importantly how long will you last in a muslim country in this isolated state before you give up and run back home?”

    Longer than your fake taalibul-ilm who run back home after a few months of studentship because they can’t handle the hardship.

    If your repsonse is not due to a misunderstanding on your part, than the tone is what is making others assume you misunderstood. Your comments don’t make sense if you did understand. She is addressing the ghulaat, who make hijrah and will not mingle with the other muhajiroon until everyone’s salafiyyah is clear. Her point was that, they too will be in the same position, because they will have to be cleared b4 anyone accepts them (unless they were already ‘clear’).

    This is all so absurd…

  54. Yusuf Says:

    Sr Asiya and Br Rasheed –

    Here is the quote from the explanation of Shaykh Saalih:

    هذا سؤال لطيف يقول ما إعراب ثلاثة الأصول وأدلتها ولماذا لم يقل المصنف: الأصول الثلاثة وأدلتها وما هي العبارة الأصح؟

    الشيخ رحمه الله تعالى له رسالة أخرى بعنوان الأصول الثلاثة رسالة صغيرة أقل من هذه علمًا؛ ليعلمها الصبيان والصغار تلك يقال لها الأصول الثلاثة, وأما ثلاثة الأصول فهي هذه التي نقرأها، ويكثر الخلط بين التسميتين، ربما قيل لهذه ثلاثة الأصول، أو الأصول الثلاثة، لكن تسميتها المعروفة أنها ثلاثة الأصول وأدلتها.

    The book is free for download here.


  55. why are you people so insistant that I was adressing somebody that in reality i was not adressing. I read the sisters post and I was not directly talking to her.

    I can only conclude from this statement that you’re just writing to be heard (or rather, read). If not, then sorry, but it really looks that way.

    Look at the scholars and their close students and see their dimeanor.

    This is some great advice; it’s advice you and the rest of us should follow as well.


  56. Jazâkallah khairan again, brother Yusuf. Thanks for the link. I’ll check it when I have the time; right now, I’m just on my way out to head to the masjid.

  57. al-boriqee Says:

    dear sister ummadam

    yes, and you required of me to reread sister muna’s post. For that i did.

    Now i request you to read “who it was’ that I was addressing. It was not muna unless muna is posing as ride n die salafi as well.

    “I can only conclude from this statement that you’re just writing to be heard (or rather, read). If not, then sorry, but it really looks that way.”

    Wal-hamdulilah your the only one who ever said something to this effect about me in 5 years of dealing hundreds of posts you never even came across.

  58. ummukatheer Says:

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakaatuh, MUNA WE GOTTA HOOK UP

  59. ummukatheer Says:

    the rest of my post wasnt posted ummadam can i resend it

  60. ummukatheer Says:

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakaatuh,
    As salaamualaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakaatuh

    MUNA WE GOTTA HOOK UP

  61. ummukatheer Says:

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakaatuh,
    As salaamualaikum wa rahmatuAllahi wa barakaatuh

    MUNA WE GOTTA HOOK UP is there a way we can trade emails and get together and talk? There are a few people doing grassroots commuity org here in Cairo for the foreighners I need ur help , we think the same.
    Ummadam great blog sis,mashaAllah and keep suratul baqarah, morning and evening adhkaar on ur tongue ALWAYs. Allah protect us from every harm and evil. Ameen. May He guide us all and save us and our children from the Fire and grant us jannah thru any gate. Ameen, Ameen Ameen.
    Also musleema u asked how do we have the patience to deal with people like this? Me personally, I try not to deal with them unless I am trying to seek reward from Allah by giving them the rights of a muslim and thats it. They find a way to stay away and that is better for them and for me, lol.

  62. amatullahumismael Says:

    Al Boriqee,

    I think that UmmAdam did not get that you were actually addressing these “so called clear salafi’s”….I DID get what you were saying and understand where you are coming from “hermano”. I believe that we just so far off topic of “soliloquies of a stranger” on so hard on the “salafi” topic that it is becoming a fitnah for us all. Your posts are wonderful and I believe that they have always supported what ummadam was saying (but I dont know if I have read them all :) we all need to remember that for those of who are muslim we need to just keep making dua for those who are not upon salafiyyah because that’s what we should do as muslims. We should want for brother’s what we want for ourselves and who knows but Allah that maybe they will come. I was not always ascribing to salafiyyah but when I began, I realized it is the only way to keep our religion pure and unadulterated with such inventions and hate. If Allah chooses not to guide those who are not upon the correct minhaj, then there is nothing we can do about it. But just as we make dua to Allah to guide our non-muslim families and friends, WE GOTTA DO THE SAME FOR THIS PEOPLE! Let’s not even get into debates with people who think they are the “clear” salafi’s because they know this scholar and that scholar but can’t even translate a verse of the Noble Book. SubhanAllah…let’s see how many of us get into Jannah, recanting to Allah this principle and that principle and don’t even know the foundations of the religion. Can’t even think of how Rasoolullah, salah allahu alayhe wa sallam, would act in a situation. People poisoned him, tried to kill him, bad-mouthed him and his companions and even killed some, and this Man would take them gifts!!!! How many of us can even forgive people for these type of things. Ummadam you have been doing a great job at ignoring the ignorant comments on this post. Don’t let them bring down the goodness of this blog…its very interesting to me and I look forward to reading it everyday. Its wonderful insight into the KSA, which I have only heard you speak good of!

  63. hamza Says:

    assalamu alikum,

    to al-borqee and Rasheed G.: Why do you guys dislike ahya.org forum? please explain, what exactly about emaan and kufr do you disagree with ahya people, al-borqee? i visit it regularly, and i don’t see them doing anything wrong, except being a little controlling, i think. comparing them to salafitalk is a gross misjudgement in my view. al-borqee, i see that you haven’t posted on that forum since Aug. 2005 so do please explain what made you do so? jazakAllahu khair

  64. al-boriqee Says:

    amatullah um ismael
    dear sis, I understand your sentiments. And I don’t get into debates with them. debating them is too acedemic for their level. What they deserve is nothing more than a full blown slaughter exposing them as fraudsters that they are, and of course our du’a for them to come back to the sunnah.

    as for akh hamza

    rasheed could answer for himself, but Im sure its because of their stalinists tyranny of not accepting things against them nor listening to advise when given.

    as for me it is all of hat coupled with their “error” in their leaning towards the kharijee manhaj. not saying they are, but forexample, there is no irj’aa and there are no murjia period. probably the onl callers to have come in the entirety of he last 3 centuries is this Mahmud Shukri i beleive his name is whom Ali al-Haalabee gave a tazkiyyah for. And then Shaykh ali regreted that after he himself saw the irj’aa in his writing of a book. That and some other guy, BUT NOT Khalid al-Anbaree.

    But its not only that, practically most salafis agree with what they are talking about in emaan and kufr except that we side with he “Bin Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Albanee, Abdul-Muhsin, and a multiplicity of other mashayikh in this regard where as they make a fanatical “hizb” in siding with fawzaan rajhi side of he equation, while they are blinded by the fact that this is a khilaaf among ahlu-sunnah that does no warrent baraa andor tabdee of he one who differs. BUT, they, at ahya, don’t see that, they make it an issue of wala and baraa and on that basis are just like te haddadis with the same behavioral patterns as they have.

    So they are not haddadees except in the issue of emaan and kufr. Again all of their stuff on that has been clarified but as i said, they dont like correction, they just make hizbiyyah on that.

    asalamu alaikum

  65. abu asad Says:

    ahya.org owners are arrested for bombay train bomblast with some of their ex staff who played major role

  66. al-boriqee Says:

    where’s the proof for that

    aslaamu alaikum

  67. yusufinKSA Says:

    as.sallamulaykum wa rahmatuillah

    I am well aware of some of the faces and veiws expressed here.

    Whats got to be the nail in the coffin and about the only thing worth replying about is the saying of ride and die salafi ( notice the hoody handle)

    ” I’d rather live like a hermit and not expose my family to as much fitnah as I can. Most of the Muslims in Saudi are just bad Muslims anyway and not hizbies and it is better to be around sinners than hizbies anyday. I can’t find the quote but there are a lot of salaf that have this belief. ”

    I mean this totally shows what substance ak47wives and the bunch of fleetstreet brothers were able to bring the people upon.

    In the end I am no better after the reversion to islam I found myself in this culture. It suited me to feel better than the rest now that I WAS SAVED. What happend and it happens to most sooner or later was that i began to scrutinise my sincereirty and my actions and I also began to get a little wiser with age. Finally KSA was able to dispell all teh myths that they had ceated in me and I was humbled to find that in this wonderful society their are imperfections and annoyances but since I commited to leave dar ul kufr for Allahs sake then I have to endure these. I also saw that these imperftions caused me to look at my own.Here in lies the rump. Rather than looking at the peoples imperfections i would be batter placed at leaving this to Allah and dealing with my own. In dar ul kufr its easy to fool yourself, however in KSA it strikes you in the face when you see the ones without beards and with thowbs on the floor being the ones better in manners with the people and first in the line for Fajr. Not many westerners can say this. I mean we really have been humbled by our hijrah when we allow ourselves to open up. yes his shaving is a major sin but so are many of ours which although not visable on our faces ceartainly do not go un recorded with Allah.
    was.sallam

  68. ummadam Says:

    Br. Yusuf. Interesting that you made an observation similar to many I have made. The other day at the gas station masjid, I sat in the car while my husband prayed (He doesn’t allow me to go into the women’s section until he has finished and stands gaurd. I saw this with other women as well who all entered once their husbands came out), and I watched with delight as men pulled their cars over from the expressway to pray. Sure there was a mutawwa or two in the bunch, but what humbled me and brought joy to my heart were the shabab, the workers, underpaid and overworked truck drivers, the shaven men, the men in sports clothes, the one putting his cigerrette out, the one rolling his pants up (of course it should have already been up but still..). I thought to myself, subhanallah! They would be judged by many of us as non practicing Muslims, but yet they pulled over, alone in their car to pray. Nobody would have known if they skipped the salat. It was Magrib too, so they made it on time. Tottally off topic, but I just wanted you to know that I underrstood what you were saying. You can oberve this at the hospital too, where all the people you would least expect to be prayewr are first in line at the hospital musalla or masjid.

    Sure it would be nice if everybody were ‘practicing’ sunni/salafees but pefection is only for Allah and living here is still one of Allah’s blessings which I will never deny, insha’Allah.


  69. to al-borqee and Rasheed G.: Why do you guys dislike ahya.org forum?

    Wa ‘alaikum as-salâm wa rahmatullah brother Hamza.

    I don’t want to delve into this issue too deeply as I don’t believe the sister’s blog is the place for this, but I will say that due to what I’ve witnessed from a good deal of the posters there—especially the moderators and the admins—of bigoted partisanship towards certain views or personalities; blatant disrespect towards, and false accusations and blatant lies made about, certain scholars from the People of the Sunnah; not to mention the excessive number of posts exposing people’s sins (not mere mistakes, but sins) under the pretense of defending the Sunnah and the da’wah; I hate them for Allah’s sake.

  70. Salafisister Says:

    Gonzales…Esay…Homes…Amigo
    Now that’s much better. Break it down about ahya. Where is there connection with the Ulema? Salafitalk, is not a waste of time forum like these blogs and other forums. It’s full of ilm, but people are so busy hatin on them that they miss the benefit.


  71. Gonzales…Esay…Homes…Amigo

    Sorry, sister. I’m not Latino. Nor am I your “Homes” or “Amigo”, so please don’t address me as such.

    Salafitalk, is not a waste of time forum like these blogs and other forums. It’s full of ilm, but people are so busy hatin on them that they miss the benefit.

    Although I don’t believe SalafiTalk is as bad as Ahya, and I do acknowledge that there may be some beneficial posts here and there, it’s just as much a waste of time as some of “these blogs and forums”. For those really concerned with the acquisition of knowledge, I’m pretty sure that whatever benefit they’re missing from SalafiTalk is being acquired from other (better, more reliable, unbiased) sources.

  72. Muslimah Says:

    As Salaamu Alaikum, Rasheed, you were speaking of Ayha.org, weren’t you? I don’t think I’ve seen any posting on Salafitalk exposing people’s sins and Allah knows best. Now the “joy riders” incident on ahya….

    Salafisister, your behavior… tisk, tisk, tisk! Unlike the Salafiyyat, you do realize that don’t you?

  73. MuslimahWarrior Says:

    SalafiSister

    Thats the problem with literalist readings; Jihadi hahah now thats funny, you are so ignorant, but im not surpised extreme salafees are always on the attack/defence that simple everyday words are taken, filtered through their twisted psyche and come to be given a whole new meaning, but at least we know you have a wild imagination. Not much sense mind you.


  74. I don’t think I’ve seen any posting on Salafitalk exposing people’s sins and Allah knows best.

    No, but I’ve witnessed other things from the posters and admins of that site (including their own type of bigoted partisanship).

  75. Asiya Says:

    Salafisister said:

    “Asiyah
    Have you read the importance of memorizing Usoolul Thalatha?”

    Actually, what I have read about is the importance of understanding, internalizing, and implementing the points made therein, along with their evidences. But no one can ever tell me it’s important to memorize “I’lam rahimak-Allaah…” Can you tell me any point in memorizing that?

    Have you read about the importance of learning the Arabic language? Imam ash-Shaafi’ee said, “Therefore it is imperative that every Muslim should strive to learn Arabic as hard as he can, so that he can testify the shahada, and recite the Book of Allah and say the invocations that are mandatory upon him, such as the takbeer, tasbeeh, tashahud and other prayers. And the more he learns the language that Allah Himself chose to be the language of him who sealed the Prophets (SAW), and to be the language of His final revelation, the better it is for him!” He also said, “It is compulsory for every responsible Muslim to learn what they can of the Arabic language.” Shaykul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah even went so far as to say that, “The Arabic language is part of the Religion, and knowing it is an obligation.”

    Then you said:

    “We are all going to be questioned in our graves, some will just be more prepared than others.”

    You don’t really think that merely memorizing THALAATHATUL USOOL is going to make us prepared for the questioning in the grave do you? Wow sister, you’re actually more ignorant than I initially thought. Take your own advice sister, go get some knowledge and stop reading translations. Our answers to the questions in the grave will not come from our memories sister, know that and don’t forget it. Our answers to the questions in the grave will come from what really lies in our hearts sister. So I’ll reiterate that the important thing is not memorizing texts (except for the Book of Allaah and the hadeeth of His messenger ‘alayhi as-Salaat was-Salaam), but understanding, internalizing and implementing the points. May Allaah make all our hearts firm upon the correct beliefs and save us from the torment of the grave and the hereafter, ameen.

    You said to brother Rasheed:

    “Gonzales…Esay…Homes…Amigo”

    Sister, do you understand the serious sin you have just committed? From Religious Brotherhood and its Benefits Part 1, by
    Al Allaamah Ash Shaykh Saalih bin Fawzaan Al Fawzaan

    “Allaah the Glorious forbids the men and the women from ridiculing each other,
    for it may be that those that are being mocked are better than the mockers in this
    world and the hereafter. And mockery does not emanate except from the
    deficient. And Allaah has forbidden al Lumz (slander), and He has forbidden
    insulting one another with al Alqaab (nicknames), and that is calling a person by
    a nickname that he has not been named with, and al Laqb is what hurts a person
    when he hears it. Some of the Mufasiroon have said that from it is, “Yaa Faasiq”
    (O’ Sinner), “Yaa Kalb” (O’ Dog),“Yaa Himaar” (O’ Donkey). And indeed mockery
    and slander and defamation with nicknames have been named sins by Allaah, and
    this is a proof of its repulsiveness and ugliness, and it is a proof of the obligation
    to stay distant from it.”

    Repent sister, repent!

    Earlier you said to Umm Adam:

    “Mrs.Umm Aadaam a.k.a Umm Sawdah a.k.a Intisaar y.a.f.n. (you aint fooling nobody) Strangesister.”

    She’s never tried to fool anybody. She has shown pics of her family, shared details of her life and even mentioned her real name on here. Anyone who knew her from back then would know who she is now.

    You on the other hand, you’ve graced us with your comments for the last few days, why are still hiding your identity?

    muslimah said:

    “Even responding to this is a waste of time.”

    I beg to differ sister. Part of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil is to correct others when they err. As long as it’s done with the right intention then I don’t see it as a waste of time.

  76. KSA Says:

    I don’t proclaim to be a scholar and I am a tuwaylib of knowledge at best but I know ignorance and shameful behavior when I see it. This and Umar Lee’s blog are two of the most ignorant and shameful things I’ve witnessed from individuals claiming to love Salafiyyah and its principles. Both blogs are filled with anti-Salafee rhetoric. For the most part, this forum along with Umar Lee’s forum is simply a conglomeration of either anti-Salafees and/or those who have had their feelings hurt in the past by the sometimes negative behavior of the Salafees due to their ignorance. Either way, there is no excuse for anti-Salafee banter and it only serves as fuel for enemies of Islaam and the Sunnah.

    Salafisister, Although your methods are a bit rash, I would have to agree with your first post. I am familiar with Umm Adam’s husband Mustafa and I can assure you I have sat with him and found his speech to be strange with regards to basic matters of manhaj such as the rulers and dealings with the scholars. This is of no surprise considering he avoids the Salafees. I am not talking about just the Western brothers but the SALAFEES IN GENERAL.

    Rather than seeking knowledge of the religion and trying to at least associate with the salafees they have chosen to stay upon a path of ignorance. Aboo Adam and his family have lived in Jubail for a few years now. In that time, I ask them how many times have they actually gone to the lessons of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Rumzaan? Which I might add, are translated into English every Friday. How many times have they actually gone to any of his gatherings that were not lectures? I can think of a couple of occasions in which Aboo Adam was invited but never attended. I wonder by me pointing out this fact, will I now be labeled as the HSIC, Supersalafee, hypersalafee, or any of the other insults lodged at Salafees under the umbrella of this new “I have been hurt by a Salafee” movement.

    The proof is in the pudding as it relates to most of the individuals who post on both of these sites. They are far from knowledge and its people and have themselves chosen to associate with UNKNOWN individuals. No one made that choice for them. To actually sit and wonder WHY people are uncomfortable with them and seem to always have something to say concerning their manhaj is amazing to me and points out their arrogance. What steps were taken to ensure that your honor would be safe?

    Indeed the cure to ignorance is knowledge and for sure we never see Aboo Adam in any of the circles of knowledge. Now I am sure it will be said, “Why does he need to sit with Rumzaan?” The bottom line is that the SALAFEES KNOW each other and associate with EACH OTHER. It has been this way for centuries and shall continue to be this way. Birds of a feather flock together. If there is another Salafee shaykh known in Jubail then surely we would have known about it considering its a one horse town.

    Furthermore, it is KNOWN throughout the city of Jubail as well as the Eastern Province that Shaykh Muhammad is SALAFEE and it is for this very reason that many of the Saudi youth avoid him. It becomes important to understand that here in the Eastern Province there is great hatred, ignorance, and animosity for our Salafee scholars. Many of the people here are either Raafidee or strong supporters of Safar Hawali, Salmaan Awdah, and Nasir Omar and with that support comes their manhaj. This is THEIR region and anyone who opposes them is considered “Jaamee”. It is for this reason that Shaykh Muhammad advised one of the brothers not to inform anyone in Jubail that he sits with him as it can harmful. Understanding all of these dynamics gives us a good idea into the thinking of many of the people here. I can assure you that my last conversation with Aboo Adam as well as other brothers’ dealings with him indicated he was indeed affected by this unfortunate trend. Its of no surprise for indeed a man is upon the religion of his friend.

    It is helpful to know the full story before we feed into this new “I was done wrong by a Salafee” fad. There are those here who have hidden agendas and are merely holding onto grudges.

    I myself have indeed been offended, insulted, slandered, and lied upon by known well intentioned (Inshaa Allaah) salafee brothers and du’aat but that gives me no excuse to start a smear campaign against the da’wah. Whether some may not admit it, thats exactly what this is.

    I ask Allaah’s protection from the Haaqidoon!!!

  77. KSA Says:

    Sorry but for some reason I type Mustafa as Umm Adam’s husband. That was a typo on my part. His name is actually Aboo Mu’adth.

  78. ummadam Says:

    KSA: You have gone a little too far now. I am almost sure that you do not believe the stuff you post and are merely posting for fun. I actually believe that you probably feel the opposite. However, you have some serious repenting to do for the slander you have done to my husband. I don’t know who you are, besides all the other names you are posting under here (JAy, Jamal, Abu Ahmed, Amina). I have not disclosed my location on this blog, and you know it because you are an avid reader. For you to sit here and tell where you think I live in Shameful (you’re still off). Worse of all are the lies you spread about my husband (at least get his name right…neither names are correct and I have never said his name on here either so why would you?).I won’t even respond more to your foolishnerss because I know you are playing around having a little fun, but it’s not funny.

    I have serious doubts that you have ever spoken to my husband. The brothers who know him, would never speak this way about him.

  79. KSA Says:

    Sister, I do not mean to offend you but I believe that we need to all be truthful here and come forth with the true reason why many are now on these anti-Salafee campaigns. This is called being just. In some cases it has nothing at all to do with Hadadee behavior or bad character and manners but a lack of knowledge on the part of this fads new adherents as well as the dislike of these individuals for accepting sincere advice when it comes to them.

    Indeed if you are the same Umm Adam of Jubail or formally of Jubail as of 2006 then by Allaah I know who you and your husband are and I have spoken to your husband and his name is indeed ABOO MU’ADTH. If you are not then I apologize. There is no need to take anything personal here. I am simply believe its time that all cards be placed on the table.

    I have no reason to come on this blog and lie as there would be no gain in it for me other than the sin of slander.

  80. KSA Says:

    As far as me posting on other names then Ash-Shaheed can attest to the fact that this is my first time on your site which I found on another e-group.

  81. KSA Says:

    And if his name is not Aboo Mu’adth then it is Aboo Adam Mu’adth

  82. al-boriqee Says:

    asalamu alaikum brother/sister

    I assure, there is no “Ive been hurt by the salafi” trend nor is it’s presence here. Well, at least the “salafis” here can’t speak for this jahil umar lee.

    as for everyone else, there’s no need to discuss anymore. Whatever that was necessary to come out to light in this disucssion has come out. That is

    1. the fake salafi wannabi western juhaal are not actually salafi, at least according to actual salafis

    2. when such a fraudster wannabi salafi comes to the land of salafiyyah, his manhaj is quarentined and exposed to be that of his or her predecessor Mahmud al-Haddad, oh and uh Faalih and Fawzee as well

    3. the knowledge of hizbiyyah and bida dissemenated by the western “clear” (might I add such a label is a bida to begin with) salafi du’aat and the distorted knowledge they dissimenate is what lands such deviants to the deviancy they dwell in such as this issue.

    4. And that after making hijrah to the land of salafiyyah and tawheed, then what else makes hijrah with them is their haddadiyyah, and for that is witnessed by their hizbi cultish type actions of sticking with other fraudster wannabis salafis that they label as “clear”. Might I add that whoever is the head chosen to pick in this ikhwaani style hizb is even more ignorant than the ignorant ash’aris. So they were hizbis when they were in the west, and for the most part remain hizbis after hijrah.

    5. and that those who do not see their ganster style hizbiyyah from such fraudster wannabis, then either
    A. they are like them or
    B. they are even more foolish and stupid than these hizbis for not actualizing their affair.

    Spirit of he actual message on this blog of which I utterly revive its life again is that if you fake wannabi salafis wan’t to make hijrah, then make hijrah for the sake of Allah. Don’t make hijrah for the sake of a community. go to Philly for that. And if you do make hijrah to ksa, remember that your making hijrah to the land were salafiyyah and salafiyoon thrive. If you don’t have knowledge of this then knowledge is its cure. If someone rejects this, then at least salafis know of what backdrop (deviancy) they come from.

    and NO: all of this is not an attack on ’salafis” as this tuwaylib misconstrued. Salafis are NOT being attacked. Haddadis are.

    what kills me is how when people were once upon a time upon this bida, like myself, that after being ma’rif of the affair and the reality of salafiyyah, all of a sudden they are deemed as “those who fight against salafis” and who “have strange views”

    enough has been said here. I don’t see were there is any maslaha in keeping the fire going after the wood has ran out

    asalamu alaikum

  83. ummadam Says:

    Whatever…you are so full of it. This is my blog not my husbands. You wouldn’t know the first thing about truth or justice. This is all some sick game to you. Where is your tawqa?

    If you know my husband so well. Call him right now. Tell him who you are and what you said on his Wife’s blog. Then meet US somewhere…

  84. KSA Says:

    I am not here to debate with you or be confrontational with you. Allaah is my witness and that is sufficient. I do not dispute that your husband is probably a “good brother” character wise. However the topic here is not his character but rather the reasons that have led to such blogs on the net and HIS, YOURS and many others new aversion towards Salafiyah under the pretext of being fed up with the Salafees. This has become far more than disillusion with so-called “super salafees” and has now opened the door for many to take strange positions in both manhaj and/or aqeedah. Deviation in the principles of this da’wah are now occurring as a result of one not knowing how to recognize ignorance and combat it with knowledge. So I say to you sister, be truthful for indeed Allaah is As-Samee’ and Al-Baseer and is knowledgeable of that which your heart hides from this blog.

    What is the real underlying reason as to why numerous people have questioned your manhaj and your husbands? Is it because all of these people were truly “HSIC” or is there something within your own souls that you should probably address. Try pointing the blame at self and not the rest of the Ummah. PERHAPS you and your husband did deviate in some areas of this manhaj. Check yourself and see rather than jumping on the “I have been hurt by a Salafee” boat.

    Arrogance has no place in this religion and when you are advised simply analyze it and thank the individual for the advice rather than being defensive and haughty. Being Salafee does not make us scholars and I believe that many people assumed that because they were Salafee that they knew it all and as a result they rejected and turned away from sound advice.

    So I say, do not fall into the trap of this anti -Salafiyyah nonsense simply because your feet were stepped on in the past by ignorant individuals.

    Busy yourself with knowledge and associate with its people and you will find the true happiness that is Salafiyah. Doing so will also save you and your family’s honor.

    Regarding the term “HSIC” then you should indeed exercise fear of Allaah regarding it. It is no different from other derogatory terms such as Jaamee and Wahaabee thought up and devised by enemies of this blessed religion to divert the people from the correct path.

  85. KSA Says:

    Salafisister, I thank you for your efforts but I think you would be better received if you worked on your approach. We are not here to insult ANYONE as the religion forbids such. We do however, want to give sincere advice from our hearts to our Muslim brothers and sisters. The best method of doing so is with wisdom and good character.

  86. Shariq Says:

    Assalaamu Alaikum.

    I dont understand this. Really it is very unfortunate. Allahul musta’aan. How did a personal blog like this one, where a sister just wants to write about what is interesting in her life in inshaallah a permissible manner become the subject of a religious onslaught??

    Where did you guys come from? Salafisister, KSA, and all those other people? Why are you here talking about this sister and her family on an open blog and disparaging them for reasons that really shouldnt even be brought up here.

    Who are you? why Cant you reveal your names if you claim to follow the salafi manhaj, where is your adherence to the advice of the ulama?

    If you want to advise the sister, why dont you do it in private?

    I live in Jeddah, so i am not detached from what you are talking about. It is really sad that a blog like this one has been marred by people like yourselves discussing issues that have no place here, instead should be discussed elsewhere.

    didnt you learn on Salafitalk.net (i am sure you visit there) that you need to reveal who you really are and cannot post using such nicknames!

    Allahul musta’aan

  87. KSA Says:

    Shariq, your name itself is a nickname until you post your entire name. As for me then I reserve the right not to post my name as there is no obligation in it and other scholars have said this is also permissible. I have no issues with the sister or her family and it is for this reason I will not post my name as my relationship with her husband is not a bad one. If I mention my name then surely it would be harmed.

    Secondly, Islaam is a way of life. Be it in a blog or otherwise. A blog is not a permission slip to say and do as you please and not be checked simply because you are behind a computer screen. Furthermore, it is a public blog. If the sister did not want responses to her various blogs then she could have simply made a webpage with similar content.

    Lastly, it is a shame that everything is viewed as an “onslaught”. I believe that is evidence of our weak faith and clearly proves that we are not at a level where we can accept advice and analyze ourselves. Unfortunately, this is the same mentality that destroyed the nations before us.

  88. ummadam Says:

    “So let My enemies say what they will for my sins are many, and perhaps because of their
    backbiting and slander My sins will be lightened and instead fall upon their shoulders ”
    Shaykh Muqbil Ibn Hadi Al-Wadi’ee rahimullah

  89. SalafiUkht Says:

    As-Salaamu ‘Alaykee Ya Umm Adam

    I have been on the Salafisisters group for years. You are not missing anything. That list started to decline when all of this fitnah struck. The old Admin was eventually bullied out of the way and now the list (along with many other salafsister groups that were popolar)have new moderators. The same set of sisters now moderate almost all of the groups, with the same set of sisters being the main posters, and the rest being anonmouse posters. After those two sisters were wronged, it still did nothing to save the original admin. Only one is still active on the list and it is unclear if she is admin or just a member. The majority of the post are from anonmouse posters. There is no sisterhood there, it is no longer “a special place”. I hear one of the old admin is in a horrible physical and mental state. The other, may Allah reward her, runs a charitable fund (may you and all those who were wronged share in the ajr from that).

    I am going through the SS groups archives now and making a mental note on when the ghuloo started. I’ll cut a paste some of the post in question, so that people will se why you wrote what you did. I don’t see anywhere in any of these statements where the people of knowledge were consulted, so I don’t know what “salafisister” is talking about.

  90. SalafiSisters on AlMaghrib Institute Says:

    For those who may think that the days of ignorant jarh are gone, here is the most recent discussion on the list.

    A sister wrote:

    “asalamu alaikoum
    is there any real info out there from the ulemaa about this organization.? I’ve “heard” things here and there from ppl but they never gave proof and I’m still waiting..
    Personally i havent seen anything wrong with them and would be interested in attending a class when it comes into town, but wanted to see first if there are any statements from the scholars out there (as “people” have said there are..I have yet to see/hear of any)

    jazak Allahu khairn.
    oh and I’ve read the comments on salafitalk about a couple of the speakers and still really dont see any daleel on there to avoid the classes.”

    and another replied

    “bismillah walikum asalam sister Manal,
    i don’t have daleel nor i am one to judge but if you want to be on the safe side following the words of our Prophet from hadith# 6 of 40 ahadeeth of an-nawawee, [waman wak wa tish subuhate wak wa fil haram] …. we avoid that is which is doubtful and it is well know that al-magrib is working with those who are refuted and first of all is YASEER QHADEE. he is one of their teacher.

    so if you recall what our salaf said, then i believe you will stick to the scholars and leave alone those whose affair is not clear, like shaykh ul islam ibn taymiya said: those who supports the people of bidah, are worse than those who supports jews and christians.

    i do believe it whole heartly, alhamdulillah we have enough people of sunnah whose affair is as clear as day light that we do not need to go into those inst. whose affair is not so clear. and allah knows best.

    just to be on the safe side, i said the above words. and allah knows best.
    was-salamualikum”

  91. muslimah Says:

    Correction: She didn’t speak Arabic before she left the US. I don’t know about now. Afwan!

  92. Clear Salafi Says:

    Read at http://www.salafipublicaitons.com ” The Crime of Taymee upon the Salafi manhaj”

    Those who sit among the Salafi appearing to be like them, dangerous and perpetrating a fraud. .

    AsSunni does not get angry when the truth is revealed about any hizbee. You cannot have intimacy with the hizbee – they are as if they have rabies. Their hizbee is likened to rabies because rabies is the only disease that will drive you stark raving mad. Walking around thinking that you are salafi but you are actually totally insane – mixing your hizbee and trying to hold onto it in a Salafi camp.


  93. With all that goodness going on I just have to say that I was very very put off by one thing. The sisters who were on security for the conference. These women were hard and cold and harsh and unyielding. I am not the only one to complain, but you know me, I just have to say it. They never had a smile for a sister, it was as if we were opposing gang members coming into their turf. They were hard. I did not like that. There was no need for that type of security anyway. I am not talking about the ladies on the registration desk,but the ones who had to check your armband and who regulated the traffic in the hall and at the suq. It was sickening. Let me tell you…..I use a cane , I am diabetic, I am 51 years old and I get tired easily. I sat on a sofa in the hallway to rest, my back was about to break and my hips were really hurting (we sat in straight back chairs in the lecture hall for at least 2 hrs at a time) well this young sister on security asked me to move. I asked her why should I? She told me that their mission was to not have the men looking at the women, well…… I was covered in black from head to toe you could only see my eyeglasses and my cane…..I was away from the main hallway and I WAS SITTING WITH MY HUSBAND. She argued and fussed and raised such a ruckus that my husband left and asked me not to dis-respect the security. but to make a wise decision..which I was not going back and forth with her I was just tired and I could not move not one more inch. She was flailing her arms and wagging her head back and forth….that in my opinion is not from hayyah, all that body language where the brothers can see HER but oh well, there were 4 other sisters with me and they took my case because I could not take her kalaam any longer….she went on with them and then more security women came..sheesh it was ugly. After I rested, then I left. Further into the next couple days..the ladies were colder and meaner. I wondered if it was just a Philly vibe or did they forget that we too are Muslim…SALAFI…and not their enemy. and we did pay a 30 registration fee, and I dont think that called for us to be so very much inconveinced and/or harrassed. I dont understand it to this day. I wont even go into all the rest , but just this example of disrespect for the elder, sick, traveller…….there was no compassion for the women with babies who were travellers who had to have things for their children…it was as if we were on lockdown each time we came into the hallway or past them. It is from Islam for us to greet our sister with a smile, with warmth and love. These ladies did none of that and I am not the only one who saw it. Maybe for the next time they take on a project of this magnitude, then they can be trained in the ways of dealing with your Muslim sisters who have needs as travellers – their rights, as young mothers with lots of babies, as old folks, just as human beings who are not kaafir nor are we the enemy or any of that . Just had to say it.

  94. muslimah Says:

    She may be knowledgeable in her own right but shaykah she ain’t. She listened to the translations of Umm Abdillah Bint Muqbil just like everyone else. And Allah knows best.

    Salafisister Member, I disagree. They all should repent because it wasn’t just her!


  95. Alhamdulilah rabbil Alameen, rabbil alwaaleena wal aakhireen, wa salaatu wa salaamu, alal mab’oothi rahmatan lil alameen an nabiy al Amin Muhammad ibn Abdillah, wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajmaeen wa man tabiyahum bi’ithsaneen ila yaumid deen ameen

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

    wa ba’ad:

    I pray that all of you are well and your families. ameen.

    We have been dealing with some very serious issues in this administration. We would like to make you all aware of what is going on so that you dont have to rely upon heresay.

    This letter is being written so as to clarify the position of Salafi Sisters regarding the removal of sister Omm Rafeeq from this list as well as to clarify our position regarding the noble brother Abul ‘Abbaas Moosaa Richardson and his respected wife, Ummul ‘Abbaas.

    As for the removal of sister Omm Rafeeq from Salafisisters, then it was not a hasty decision. Rather, we have been observing her mistakes in Manhaj issues for a long time now and it is necessary to protect this list from any form of deviation no matter how attached our hearts may be to an individual. Indeed, others have observed these Manhaj errors on her behalf as well and have advised us, the moderators of Salafisisters, regarding sister Omm Rafeeq. Of those who have advised us regarding Umm Rafeeq is our noble sister Ummul ‘Abbaas.

    Based upon this advise and based upon what we ourselves have observed from Omm Rafeeq, I (Umm Saalih) advised the sister ( Omm Rafeeq ) personally. However, it has reached the point to where removing her was necessary and we ask Allaah to guide the sister. Please note that re-posting any of the sister’s previous posts is not permissible from this point on.

    As for clarifying our position regarding the noble brother Abul ‘Abbaas and his espected wife, then this is necessary since the private advice that was sent to us from Ummul ‘Abbaas has been hoodwinked somehow and posted upon a web site of Hizbiyyah in order to launch a scathing attack against our brother Abul ‘Abbaas and his wife. Hence, we free ourselves from having anything to do with this private letter being made public and we free ourselves from those who are trying to harm the noble brother and his family due to it. Rather, we hold them in high regards and know them for their Salafiyyah and their efforts in this Da’wah. Indeed, the noble brother and his wife are from our very own Al-Masjid Al-Awwal and were instrumental in establishing the Da’wah here in Pittsburgh, PA.

    I just want to say that I am sure that by now the private letter that was made public is common knowledge. I joined the hizbee website to post a letter in defense of brother Moosa and Salafisisters, my message was deleted that contained the words ” in defense of brother Moosa and Salafisisters”. A copy of this is contained as a reply in the original message of the invisible hizbee who brought the fitnah. They also deleted a letter sent to the website by Umm Khaliyl – Salafisisters Moderator. They are so pitiful. I wont stay and continue to fight with those people as I stand on the haqq – they play too many games with this dawah and I dont have the time nor the energy for it.

    We would like to maintain the honour of our list, and insha’alllah, we have resolved this matter in the proper Islamic way & with the best of manners, and return to our focus, which is to be a venue to propagate this blessed dawah. May Allaah make it easy, and guard us from the fitan of the deviants, and the evil that lies around every corner, seeking to sideswipe and distract the believer from the things that will benefit one in the akirah.

    Stay Salafi !!!

    Subhaanaka Allaahumma wa bihamdika, ash hadu an laa ilaaha illa anta, astaghfiruka wa atoobu ilayk

    All praise is for Allah who guided us to Islaam and blessed us with it and placed us in the best nation, so we ask Him to grant us that we keep to that which He loves and is pleased with and avoid that which He hates and which angers Him. ameen.

    Ummu Saalih As-Salafiyyah
    Umm Idris
    Umm Khaliyl
    Salafisisters Administration

  96. muslimah Says:

    One of the principles of wronging someone is to ask them for forgiveness after asking Allah, is it not? Maybe I am wrong and if I am, may Allah forgive me. Ameen! When I said “Allah yahdeekum. Ameen”, it was a dua’a! My intention wasn’t to backbite anyone. No one asked how was so and so and what i said wasn’t directed toward a specific person.

    What is sad is that people dont make the distinction between advise and guarding a person’s honour. Umm Su’ad does not big herself up to know more than she knows, so if others raise her then perhaps this is from Allaah as a glad tiding or a test, but for another to come and speak of her to indicate that she doesnt deserve such praise in a obviously critized manner it can amount to backbiting

    When I said Umm Suaad is not a shaykhah, that is the haqq and not a criticism, nor a backbite. I said she is knowledgeable in her own right. I don’t harbor any ill feeling against that sister or any sister because their reckoning is with Allah azza wa jall. Na’am!

    If I have wronged anyone on this blog, I ask Allah to forgive me and then them. Ameen!

    May Allah guide us all and rectify our affairs. Ameen!

    BarakAllahu Feek!

  97. zahra Says:

    ameen ukhti

    I did not know you said Allaahu yahdeekum, it was just an example to show how the littlest thing can amount to backbiting. Imam an-nawawee mentions similar sayings in his book on guarding the tongue

  98. al-boriqee Says:

    “bida salafi” says

    “Read at http://www.salafipublicaitons.com ” The Crime of Taymee upon the Salafi manhaj””

    What does the menace from al-M’arib have anything to do with what is going on here. Had you asked everyone here im pretty sure they will be on the “right” side of this issue.

    So to end such kalaam then our Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin said

    It is not permissible to test another student of knowledge that he must have a stance against the refuter or refuted such that if he conforms he is safe but if he does not, he is declared an innovator and boycotted. It is not for anyone to attribute to Ahlus-Sunnah the likes of this anarchic behaviour in passing verdicts of innovation and boycotting. NEITHER is for anyone to describe whoever does not traverse this anarchic path that he is someone who is watering down (mumayyi’) the methodology of the Salaf.

    then you heretically said

    “Those who sit among the Salafi appearing to be like them, dangerous and perpetrating a fraud. ”

    kind of like your trying to infiltrate our ranks by elevating yourself beyond a level no alim preceded you in by attaching the your bida concept of the label “clear”. Why you boys don’t heed advice of ulema. Who is it that are hizbis, we, who listen to ul;ema, or all you fraudster wannabi salafis.

    “AsSunni does not get angry when the truth is revealed about any hizbee. You cannot have intimacy with the hizbee – they are as if they have rabies. Their hizbee is likened to rabies because rabies is the only disease that will drive you stark raving mad. Walking around thinking that you are salafi but you are actually totally insane – mixing your hizbee and trying to hold onto it in a Salafi camp”

    thats exactly it. Your words clearly disiminate the rabies everyone here sees from your post, and in fact smells as the stench of your rotting rabies havin corpes is affecting all of us salafis here.

    as for the two salfi sisters that i know of here ummadam and muslimah, what is up with these fraudster hizbis that they think they are able to do for example this

    “we have been observing her mistakes in Manhaj issues for a long time ”

    and “I and others have seen their manhaj”

    and their most passionate companions is musa fitnahson.

    Look at this fraudster insincere student, Look how he tried to get Shaykh Rab’ee against Zaahid. And how it backfired at his face ending with shaykh Rabee blasting him.

    This same student saying on khalafitalk in essence how knowldge of peoples manhaj is more important than tawheed.
    A beleif like that adopted in the heart of a “talibul-ilm equals nothing but pretentiousness.

    I hope you all try to rise up in your fitnah upon the salafi manhaj like you all did back in the day so that way our SALAFI scholars can smash and expose you all by name crushing your ghulaat fake wannabi tuwalibs, rather tilmeedhs.

    Zahra said, awhile indirectly addressing me the following

    “Also, please brothers and sisters if you see from a poster that they have a misunderstanding of the salafi manhaj don’t write them off as an ingnoramous salafi wannabi trapped in a cult. Rather educate them, it’s possible that they have good intentions, and the lack of knowledge and understanding leads them to have misconceptions which leads to certain statements and behaviours. It’s possible that they just might need direction… I speak from experience, but i’m learning walhamdulillaah.”

    dear noble sister, barakallahu feek for the advice. however i wish to clarify something to you. I, unfortunately, call them as i see them. sincerity lies in the appearence of action. They have been CONTINUALLY told and warned by our scholars. But our scholars gets thrown out he window for them. The only things that get sanctioned is whatever gets “filtered’ at khalafitalk. This deviance is unlike all other deviances that have sprang up among the ummah of Muhammad salallahu alaihi wa sallam.

    I tend to hold that sincde I too was one of them, then by default they are to be dealt with aon a different level than the misguided lets say pakstani matureedi. These are gangster hizbis ready to KILL somebody with a 22 IF they merely mention the NAME of Abu Usaamah. You are dealing with a people who beleive that knowledge of the manhaj and aqeedah of a bunnch of nobodies (meaning he avergae person in islam who counts for nothing on the grand scale of things)is more precious to have than the knowlegge of tawheed.

    You are dealing with a people who have doubts about the SALAFI style conferences held at Baseerah org based on the sole satanic assumption that this organization did not suffer the critique of their own ikhwaani style hizbi figureheads like whatever du’aat are at spuds and destroid.

    if they were concerned at arriving at the truth of the matter, they wouldn’t utter the poison that they speak of such as this “clearsalafi” who after Shaykh raddadee told their du’aat about the bida practice that they innovated into the religion of trying to seperate the ranks by saying they are clear, even after all of that they stil lremain upon the stubborn qutbi style hizbiyyah they themselves knowldgely aknowledge of.

    Im sorry if i don’t treat people nicely, it was a fortay i was stripped of long ago as a haddadee once upon a time when thinking that having rifq equalled tamy’ee as this hizbi is likewise making taqleed of. So i can be gentle in my words But Im not going to be on a happy go nucky wuss when they heretically behave the way they do. Maybe the rest of you all can withstand that but i can’t.

    al-hamdulillah that ‘you have learned”. Please forgive my tone, all of you, I just can’t stand the people of innovated beleifs and the most aching thorn on my side from such heretics are these ignorant ghulaat fraudster wannabis.

    asalamu alaikum

  99. abou hassan Says:

    As salamu alaikum, barakullahu feek sister, I to live here in KSA – and been salafee now for 12 years. Going through many transformation that have brought to the balance path that you have found alhamdulilah. I once was upon that path of ‘asabiyyah’ some years ago and it first came from my wife’s mouth. I to like you are African-American and inter-racially married ( my beloved is morrocan). I was so angry when she pointed this out to me but she was right and the truth hurts sometime. I get asked Are there any salafi’s there where you live? and I say to myself ‘man you came all the way over here to this blessed land of tawheed and you still don’t get it. It comes a point in your life where you most focus on the man in the mirror. Knowledge is not in regurgitating ‘fulan is salem wa fulan ta’ban wa fulan hizbi’. Proof of that is the speakers themselves %98 whom are dangerously ignorant and stuck in mid transformation. They haven’t arrived yet. Stagnant. When they say that one is hizbe, quess what? either that one is a hizbe or they are the real hizbe. The statement lands on someone head. A hizbe is a mubtadi’. It is not a word to be taking lightly. On another note some take this being moderate as to mean you don’t scrutinize who you take ilm from and this is not correct. You must ask about the one you wish to sit with if you don’t know, that’s not a problem. The problem is when you take everybody out of salafiyyah until they prove themselves to you upon your warped standards. Like, who the hell are u? sssss

  100. zahra Says:

    salaamun ‘alaykum

    I am glad you read what I wrote and thought of yourself first. I was not indirectly addressing you, but I was directly addressing anyone who fit the description. Besides I do not really read every thing you write.

    Brother you quoted shaykh abdul muhsan’s statement on the innovation of testing people by personalities yet you blast anyone who does not hate the people you hate as hisbi.

    You said: as for the two salfi sisters that i know of here ummadam and muslimah, what is up with these fraudster hizbis that they think they are able to do for example this

    How have you vouched for their salafiyyah only, is it because of their expressing the same views as you (i.e. hating who you hate)? If I tell you I do not hate spubs and do not declare them hizbees, and infact say they are salafi (because no alim made tabdee on them), despite the manhaj errors they’ve been advised about by shuyookh…. what would you categorise me as??? Go ahead…. let it all out….
    I’m not with you al-boriqee nor am I against you.

    Please dont judge posters’ salafiyyah depending on their position towards spubs/troid. You’re guilty of the same thing you hate them for.


  101. If I tell you I do not hate spubs and do not declare them hizbees, and infact say they are salafi (because no alim made tabdee on them), despite the manhaj errors they’ve been advised about by shuyookh….

    Sister, declaring someone to be heretic (tabdî’) and calling someone a partisan aren’t exactly the same; one is a bit more serious than the other.

    As for Spubs being called partisans, it’s already been done by Shaikh Wasî Allah ‘Abbâs. You can read a translated transcription of the audio here (starting at the bottom of pg. 5 and continuing through to pg. 6). There is also an audio file floating around the internet of the shaikh’s words, which you can listen to (it’s got both Arabic and English).

  102. zahra Says:

    Jazakallaahu khairan akhie, I read and heard shaykh WasiAllaah ‘abbas’ statement when he gave the lecture. Hafizahullaahu ta’ala. Some people declare them to be innovators in their usuage of the term hizbi, and I do not think the shaykh and others intended this, as far as my little knowledge of the affair is concerned. But Wallaahu ‘alam, I dont know past this. I was wrong in my usuage of tabdi’. barakallaahu feek.

  103. zahra Says:

    Sorry I just re-read my post… I do not think I was wrong in my usuage of tabdi’. From what I know is they were not declared heretics/innovators etc. or taken “off the manhaj”, by the ullema at least. Wallaahu ‘alam

  104. zahra Says:

    na’am ukhtie, jazakillaahu khairan, and I aslo ask you and muslimah to forgive me if i’ve wronged you. What I mean is you express similar views as the brother in terms of speaking of the injustices and oppressions caused by some who have done it in the name of salafiyyah. And there is no problem in clarifying this, because it many do learn from it. I doubt however that you or muslimah consider the salafis who have done these injustices not to be salafi. (i.e. you still hold them to be salafi eventhough they have all these mistakes, from how i see it).
    My point was towards the brother, that as far as he’s concerned those sisters from salafisisters egroup (i’m not part of them al-hamdulillaah) they are “fraudster hizbis”.
    I hated to continue this, but I did not want you or any other to feel I’ve done injustice to you. I also seek forgiveness from al-boriqee.

  105. ummadam Says:

    You are forgiven and I love you for the sake of Allah. I didn’t think you meant it the way it came out. It’s just that ‘hate’ is such a strong word and I reserve ‘hating’ for the sake of Allah alone. I didn’t want anyone to get the impression from your post that I hated whoever this brother hated,because I really have no idea who he hates.

    I think that a lot of ppl r in a lot of pain and this is when we need each other most. Most of us are really upon the same thing of course we all make mistakes and fall short but perfection is only for Allah. Gotta go. Families waiting for the weekend outting!

  106. Musleemah Says:

    Umm Adam, may Allah love you and your family for the patience and mercy that you show to those who have wrong you.

    Although, I think some serious white washing is being done here. It is true that you can come to the middle east and find babies and the most thought to be juhaal people with ingrained understanding of salafiyyah. It’s not going to lectures, sitting with in group, wearing the right style of thoub or abaya. It’s breathing, acting and speaking it.

    Back in the states the majority of salafee masajid I attended were not even calling to the true minhaaj of ahlus sunnah wal jama’ah, they were calling to partianship to their leaders, thinkers and movers. As such, many salafees in the west who assume that they are “clear” (whatever that means) and better than the rest of mankind are really upon baatil, and the worse of them are in trance like states from being engaged in cultist behaviors for too long.

    Their ways and actions have been criticized by ahlus sunnah all over the world which is why I disagree that we are on the same thing. Wallahi, I don’t want to be likened to those Muslims and I ask Allah to keep me safe from their illnesses.

    My biggest concern is being just in my treatment with them. I see them as Muslims and as Muslims I want to be able to give them their rights that they are due and feel good about it.

  107. al-boriqee Says:

    asalamu alaikum

    ukhti zahra

    you said

    “I am glad you read what I wrote and thought of yourself first. I was not indirectly addressing you, but I was directly addressing anyone who fit the description.”

    hence i said
    “indirectly”

    you said

    “Brother you quoted shaykh abdul muhsan’s statement on the innovation of testing people by personalities yet you blast anyone who does not hate the people you hate as hisbi. ”

    No, i don’t nor did i blast anyone who does not hate these fraudsters. Im merely exposing them for who they aare, if the people wish to flock to them thats their business. Those whom i treat like his are those who blindly follow their ghulaat leaders INSTEAD of having a mind of their own and looking into the staements of people more knowledgeable than them so as to take what they see as right and leave off where they err.

    you said

    “How have you vouched for their salafiyyah only, is it because of their expressing the same views as you (i.e. hating who you hate)? ”

    no sister, I beleive you have misconstrued. I should have made myself clearer, this is my fault.

    Im not a voucher to begin with. I merely accept the claim of people’s statement in their affiliation with the madhaab of he salaf. Only something as clear cut as the firm beleif in this warped western gangster style salafiyyah would be somehting that would negate their claim.

    secondly, I meant that i know them from other forum experience and not that
    1. they are the only salafi sisters here (which is what you mistook me on) and
    2. not that i know them personally per se

    thirdly on this, i only acted on my “knowing them” based on an assumption that ummadam was strangesista based on one of the posters who said this wallhu alim. And as for musleemah i only assumed it was the same one who addressed those REAL heretics on sunni(sufi)forum.

    lastly, i hate them for the sake of Allah in that which they err. I am not one of them. i benefit from their works and sites at times.

    you said

    “If I tell you I do not hate spubs and do not declare them hizbees, and infact say they are salafi (because no alim made tabdee on them), despite the manhaj errors they’ve been advised about by shuyookh…. what would you categorise me as???”

    i would categorize you as nothing because you don’t act nor sepak nor beleive in this haddadi ghuloo. Secodnly, even if i had an opinion, i am not one who spreads it enforcing my “jarh” upon the people against you.

    secondly, I don’t hate them like i hate the more graver ahlul-hawaa like the quburis or the mu’atilla jadeda or he renegade kharijis. i merely hte them for heir deviance in this issue. I, unlike them, Do not administwer what they do unto others when they err. I don’t warn people away from benefiting from their works, i only warn and expose gangster fraudster wannbis to salafiyyah who base wala and baraa of this dawah on the very deen filterization of whatever these tuwaylibs that they hold dear to them feed them.

    thirdly, I never claimed an alim made tabdee on hem. But an alim did note their being upon hizbiyyah.

    You said

    “Go ahead…. let it all out….”

    what do you take me for, one of them.

    now that i have clarified myself on better grounds i don’t think this statement

    “Please dont judge posters’ salafiyyah depending on their position towards spubs/troid. You’re guilty of the same thing you hate them for.”

    seems fit

    As for one other thing you said

    “My point was towards the brother, that as far as he’s concerned those sisters from salafisisters egroup (i’m not part of them al-hamdulillaah) they are “fraudster hizbis”.”

    Im sorry sister if i gave the impression that WHOEVER(this is amm) was on that e-group were hizbis. Of course I dont know where in the galaxy I said that, but whatever the case is, please I surely did not intend that.

    So let me expose myself. I did use this phrase rather loosely. I don’t think every salafi on that manhaj are all fraudster wannabis, just those specoific individual henchmen in each “clear” salafi encampment who act as the trustess of the dawah in ameria, and beleive me each town where these encampments are, there is at last one if not more. it is really they whom i more concerned with more so than just plain juhaal like this ride n die and clear salafi who doesnt even know the bida he promotes by such a label.

    And for such a hasty reaction of mines, i am sorry for it. I understand that Alah gives through ease what He does not give through courseness. All im saying is that at the end, they are surely an exception since they indeed are an exceptional bunch.

    asalamu alaikum

  108. IKEA-4-Life Says:

    As-Salaam Alaikum,

    What kind of crap-discussion is being held here?
    Stop nagging about others; Stop living your lives as if it matters if people believe your salafee or not!

    Clear/Unclear, SPUBs-Crew/Anit-SPUBs-Crew, Sh. Rabee-Muqallid/Sh. Rabee-Hater: Whatever you want to call your self/label the other, forget about it!

    Live as a true Salafee/Sunni/Atharee/Muslim! Worship your Lord upon Ikhlaas, Baseerah & Ilm; Learn Arabic; If you know it –stop putting people down for not knowing it and stop feeling you’re better because of it.

    Women: Yes, you’re naaqis, and since you know it, limit the damage; be a good wife/mother/sister and stay out of talking about the deen in public (take the wives of the mashaykh as an example) like this. It might hurt you, but you are after all naaqis…

    Men: Stop acting like women; “bla, bla bla…” That’s for women! Be a good husband/father/brother and stop acting like a bint! We’re supposed to NOT be naaqis… Act like it!

    “They unclear”/”They are haddadis” –Same crap!
    “Sh. Rabee said this”, “Sh. Abdul-Musan said that”, Sh. Najmi said this”, Sh. Raddadi said that” –Let them speak, be quiet and worship Allah!
    You want to make dawah? Do it! Stop caring about others! Aren’t there enough people in the dunya for you to make dawah on??? Stop wasting your time talking about others!

    You make people hate Islam/Muslims/Salafees/Knowledge/Ulema! So please, back off…

    Ps. Help this ummah by closing down all forums and blogs!

    As-Salaam Alaikum


  109. Stop nagging about others

    You want to make dawah? Do it! Stop caring about others! Aren’t there enough people in the dunya for you to make dawah on??? Stop wasting your time talking about others!

    How ironic … .

  110. Hasan Says:

    As Salaamu Alaikum

    Ikea makes a good point. It may seem that what was said they fell into, however the point is noted. we have to remember that the enemies of this religion search these forums to use against Islam. We understand the problems that are in house however we should not air out the dirty laundry for all to see. Name calling and the negativity is not what we should be about. I am sure alot of us have experience fitnah from some group who call themselves Salafi. We have to remember that they are our brothers and sisters in Islam and even if Allah punish them they are promised paradise just for having a mustard seed of emaan. So advice the people but lets do it in a proper way.
    I am not as deep as my brother Al Borigee and other (Akhi I do remember you here in ATL at Simpson, Bankhead and ittiba)however I and others like me are looking to continue to learn this deen and benefits our families. Some want to make hijrah and what got my attention was the fact that someone who is leaving overseas in the kingdom was talking about their experiences and how to function in the islamic world. So if this blog can focus back on the issue of living overseas, preparations for doing so and things of that nature. The religion is perfect but the people are not. we shouldn’t be living our lives based upon validation of people. If you are doing your best to live according to the sunnah and you are trying to please your Lord according to what he has commanded what else is there. Please benefit us with your knowledge of living abroad and eliminate the talk of harm about your brothers and sisters. I ask Allah for his forgiveness on anything that I contribute to the wrong being done and the continuing of the useless talk. Ameen

  111. al-boriqee Says:

    “How ironic … .”

    second that


  112. Just so no one misinterprets my comment, I don’t necessarily disagree with IKEA-4-Life’s point(s). I just found it ironic how he/she basically did what he/she was advising others to not do i.e., crying/nagging/caring about others and their behaviour.

  113. al-boriqee Says:

    thats goes without contemplation


  114. [...] this is what you got from my blog, then it is obvious that you were searching to find fault in what was written, because that is not [...]

  115. Abu Habiba Says:

    This is really sad, probably the saddest thing i’ve seen in a long time. I am not some arbiter of who and who is not a salafi…but all of us need to learn our religion and realize that people make mistakes. If you guys sat at the feet of anyone who was upon the Quran and the Sunnah and the Understanding of the Companions (Salafiyya), there wouldn’t be any time to do all this nonsense. Sister, check your niyya before you post articles like this. What was your intention? Who are you trying to expose? What fitna have you opened up except to further inflame arguments. Allahu musta’an. We should all check our niyya before whatever we write and whatever blog or website we run.

  116. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    people dont be confused, the truth is the truth. If someone follows Quran and Sunnah, he/she is salafi inshaallah. But the problem is those who claim to follow QS and promote the ppl of bidah.

    So when the aalim refutes another aalim there’s nothing is wrong with it. If some people had their way, we still be reading Burdah(famous Sufi poetry) and the books of the ppl of bidah like Qutub.

    I know you probably gonna say: why are you talking about this aalim. so if you are one those who are confused about his issue, I suggest you pray hard and ponder on the hadith of spilit of the ummah. To sum up, I believe there’s only one salafiya the rest are the claiments. You will never find the true salaf prop up ahlulbidah.


  117. Brother Saleh, are you saying that shaikhs like ‘Abdul-’Azîz Âl ash-Shaikh (who defended and spoke well of Sayyid Qutb) isn’t a true salafî?

  118. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    hi,

    It would be nice if you had elaborated on what you mean. Even if the sheikh praises Qutb’s supposed sacrifice in general sense, which does not take precedence over what others explained in detail, it does not mean its okay for a layman to be poisoned by his venomous literary work. As for what that says about the sheikh, it’s possible that the sheikh either is not familiar with his work or he has erred.

    Many of us know that dozens of scholars have written and spoken about this issue. Since many people think only sheikh Rabee is the one who exposed Qutb, I would like to remind readers that Shaikh Rabee is only of many who wrote about Qutb’s fitna. For instance, Shaikh Saeed Raslaan (www.rslan.com ) of Egypt and many others have clearly dealt with this issue. Please also refer to the letter sheikh Said ibn AbdurRahman Al-Husain wrote to Shaikh Bakr Zaid [ http://www.saad-alhusayen.com/articles/52 (may Allah protect them all)].

    Please remember the statement of the imam of dar-al-hijrah, we all can refute and be refuted except the one who is in that grave, pointing to the grave of the rasulallah (saw).

    I hope this is clear.


  119. as-Salâm ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah,

    Usually Muslims greet each other with salâm, rather than “hi”. But, no biggie … .

    Regarding Sayyid Qutb, may Allah have mercy on him and forgive him for his mistakes, I’m well aware of what the scholars have written regarding his mistakes and the turmoil his ideas have caused. In fact, I agree that his works shouldn’t be read and should be cautioned from.

    However, this is not my contention. My contention has to do with your statement:

    You will never find the true salaf prop up ahlulbidah.

    Regardless if they err or are ignorant of a person’s mistakes, I’m asking if you are implying, by this statement of yours, that that these scholars’ defense and praise of certain individuals (e.g., Qutb) makes them any less salafî than those who warn against them.

    Some of these shaikhs know and are aware of the mistakes made by Qutb and the turmoil and tribulations caused by his teachings and writings, but at the same time you will find them making excuses for him.

    Very rarely are these issues ever cut and dry, or even black and white. So to portray them as they are is inappropriate and unjust.

    As for this:

    … it does not mean its okay for a layman to be poisoned by his venomous literary work.

    Scholars are scholars due to their knowledge and laymen are laymen due to their lack of it. How do you expect laymen who are supposed to be referring to these scholars for guidance and direction to have more sense and awareness than the scholars themselves? Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree that a scholar’s mistakes should not be followed and that they do not give us an excuse to follow falsehood and error. However, to expect that laymen stand on the shoulders of giants to look past their vision and insight in order to make sense of these complex situations sounds a bit unrealistic to me.

  120. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    Since you are not able to establish what the shaikh said and where, it is irrelevant to talk about the Shaikh.

  121. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    If the refutation of the “Imam” Qutb does not bother you, why are you making a big deal?

    As for the one who started this thread, I say fear Allah and stop mocking people. Not all the scholars in Saudi are salafis. As the matter of fact, there’s an ahbash that I know who lives in Makkah, also there are other sufis, ikhwanis, ismailis. So I dont see why you are mocking those who are watching who they take their knowledge from. Mocking the one who is asking for salafi shoyookh says a lot about you!


  122. Since you are not able to establish what the shaikh said and where, it is irrelevant to talk about the Shaikh.

    Huh? Brother, I was there listening to a live telelink with the shaikh when he said what he said. What he said isn’t the issue here. I asked you if the shaikh’s defense of Qutb makes him any less salafî since you said that “You will never find the true salaf prop up ahlulbidah.”

  123. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    Are you saying we should disregard all the research regarding “imam” Qutb? As for the shaikh, I already said if it’s true, then he either doesnt know about Qutb or he made a MISTAKE if he praises his work.

    Yes, in general the people of Sunnah dont praise ahlul-bidah. As your attempt to get me to admit the shaikh is not a salafi, subhanallah!


  124. Are you saying we should disregard all the research regarding “imam” Qutb? As for the shaikh, I already said if it’s true, then he either doesnt know about Qutb or he made a MISTAKE if he praises his work.

    Yes, in general the people of Sunnah dont praise ahlul-bidah. As your attempt to get me to admit the shaikh is not a salafi, subhanallah!

    Firstly, why do you insist on calling Qutb an “imam” even if in quotation marks? What are you trying to imply?

    It was a simple question, brother. You claimed that the true salaf will never prop up the People of Heresies. I simply asked if you were saying that shaikhs like Shaikh ‘Abdul-’Azîz Âl ash-Shaikh weren’t true salafîs for speaking apologetically about individuals who have deviated. All you had to do was say yes or no. And to be honest, with all the turmoil that’s occurred because of Sayyid Qutb, whether it be directly a result of his writings or whether it be a result of other individuals warning against him, I highly doubt that shaikhs such as Shaikh ‘Abdul-’Azîz would be unaware of what’s gone on.

    And btw, it’s very true that the shaikh said whatever he said about Sayyid Qutb; Here’s Shaikh ‘Alî al-Halabî’s comments on it.


  125. Btw, about that alleged “attempt” to goad you into saying the shaikh wasn’t salafî, you’re the one who made the blanket statement that implied it to begin with.

    Watch what you say and think about the implications your words might have.

    as-Salâm ‘alaikum.

  126. Saleh Al-Ifreekee Says:

    Wa alaykumussalam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

    thank you for the article. “Imam” Qutb is the imam of guidance for some people and he’s the first to interpret tauheed correctly, they claim. Of course we dont want to get into that. By the way, I found sahab.net, aqsasalafi.com, salafimanhaj.com and last not least marok1.com to be one of the best salafi resources online. May Allah give us sincere intention, ameen!

  127. al-boriqee Says:

    “If the refutation of the “Imam” Qutb does not bother you, why are you making a big deal?”

    he can be your Imaam but he’s not ours.

    the only problem that there is with which you have an issue and ur making a big deal out of is your misapplication and misunderstanding of how we deal with ahlul-bidah and how we deal with the khilaaf of ahlul-ilm regarding such people.

    the only reason why rasheed is even wasting his time ine explaining something to you that such haddadee mindsets cannot grasp, of which you seem to fall in line, is because people who fall in line with what your saying are those who when soemthign of bida comes from a person, they are by default rendered to be on the level of deception, distortion, evil, kufr, and treachory of Jahm Bin Safwaan.

    I suppose you haver not listened to the ARABIC lecture of our salafi shaykh al-Albaane entitled ‘moderation regarding sayyid qutb”

    ANd he lectured this after his knowing fullk well the “talbis” and the jahil inherent in his works as well as speaking highly of shaykh Rabee’s refutation of qutb.

    whats the point.

    is that people be they bidi or not are dealt with according to their level.

    But coming from your side of the front, whoever even makes a slip or even performs some sins, (like Abu Usamah) people like your du’aat try to get them off the dawah on a faulty understanding of what they did and call the shaykh with their disorted version of reality and then after they seek the fawtaa they wish (after the prophet warned them they will get a piece of hellfire), they run around making that person to be as if they are khomeini or Jad bin Dirham, rather than somebody who made a simpleton mistake. And then after their condmentation of them such a condemntation is made to such an extent that there is no hope for them of repentence. So even if they wanted to repent to “shaykh rabee” they would still be out of it because he would be charged with “trying to deceive the shaykh” and my personal favorite “he aint serious” (classic case was Abu Uwais’s wasiyyah to the ummah, his final exposition of how abu usamah was insincere”

    case in pint, were not making a big deal, rather people like youare the ones that make a big deal, and you know what, it is people like you on this manhaj that actually forced al-albanee to produce this lecture because many people (coming from your front) raised this jahil nobody to be the “mihna of the times” when al-albanee quite frankly said “he’s merely a journalist. Your giving precedence to his ignorance is only making him all the more vastly heard”

    but its in arabic. Maybe after you mastered the science of “knowing who ALL people are and the manhaj they are upon” then possibly you could try and master arabic, that is if tawheed is second after this “mustalah” or third.

  128. al-boriqee Says:

    “As for the one who started this thread, I say fear Allah and stop mocking people. Not all the scholars in Saudi are salafis. As the matter of fact, there’s an ahbash that I know who lives in Makkah, also there are other sufis, ikhwanis, ismailis. So I dont see why you are mocking those who are watching who they take their knowledge from. Mocking the one who is asking for salafi shoyookh says a lot about you”

    A classic example of misunderstanding the essence of the blog. I swear the pillar of you guys is nothing but misconstrueing the statements and intent of others to be other than what they state or intent.
    It was never a mockery of those who “seek salafi shiyookh”

    it was a mockery of those who beleive that the salafi shiyookh are only 8 or 10 and that the evidently hundreds of other salafi shiyookh whom abu khabitha and the spuds crew never spread to the west who they were, are deemed as ikhwaanis or takfeeris and qutubis or other than them.

    It is also a mockery of those who when they land at the salafi land of tawheed of where a great portion of the country are salafi and understand the dawah according to salafiyyah i.e correctly, people who come their according to the salafitalk edited version of salafiyyah come their and due to their satanic understanding of salafiyyah charge the enitrety of the country (save the 10 scholars that they know of) of being not salafi. And only one who adheres to the khalafitalk slang are those who are “approved” as salafis. And the ones who are doing the approving are none but a bunch of hizbi jaahil misfits who havenet learned an inkling of knowledge except what they sit in an open gathering of a shaykh they like once or twice a week.

    that is where the mockery is pointed at. And since you have cited us an arabic site, I take it you have somehow learned arabic at least. If that is the case then
    1. how the heck are you still following the millah of jaahil among the scandals of salafitalk
    2. if you do infact know arabic, how the heck did you not understand the dhaahir of this particular blog

  129. islamicbasics Says:

    “1. how the heck are you still following the millah of jaahil among the scandals of salafitalk
    2. if you do infact know arabic, how the heck did you not understand the dhaahir of this particular blog”

    1. Brother this is oppression on your fellow muslim. From reading a few posts of his, you have accused him, labelled and categorised him as if you are positive of what you say. Even on the internet your brother has rights over you. May Allaah guide you and forgive you.

    2.the blog is not in arabic. Not everyone is obligated to agree with the post or any other. What I have noticed here is that anyone who disagrees with the authour or the prevalent view/opinion is automatically marginalised and accusations are launched. May Allaah unite our hearts upon the truth and destroy the plots of those who seek to divide the muslims. Ameen

    zahra

  130. al-boriqee Says:

    that is because whatever is stated therin is the haq in its absolute form. There is no doubt about it. So whoever finds in themselves doubt about it, has got a problem with their Lord, not with us. whether you or anyone else disagrees or not. that is because these are stated realities and whether or not you choose to beleive it or not is something others will have to take with them in their final meeting.

    2. secondly, I did not label him otherwise I would have labeled him.

    3. what oppression. I merely said that he is following those group of fake salafis in some of their statements. I didnt say he was them. I was saying such is the saying of those people and we find you speaking the same talk, thats it. That was the dhaahir understanhding of that which I said.

    4. how did you just overlook the extremism and barbarity
    of others who came here trying to dismantle the haq therin by throwing their fake salafi venom, and then by our repelling the oppression of the khaba’ith, we are somehow those who “marginalized and throw accusations”

    where is your comments regarding their far more worse venomous talks on us. ta’azzub is a dangerous matter akhee.

    asalamu alaikum

  131. islamicbasics Says:

    Wa ‘alaykumus salaam wa rahmatullaah

    Who is included in “us” and “we”?

    zahra

  132. al-boriqee Says:

    the people who agree with the essence of the blog i.e. us or we vs those who don’t

  133. islamicbasics Says:

    Innaa lillaahi wa innaa ilayhi raji’oon

  134. al-boriqee Says:

    la hawla wala kuwata illa billah

  135. Who Cares Says:

    I really don’t see what is so special about this blog. All the hooplah over Umm Adam’s blog and it’s just a bunch of empty kalam. Can anybody claim to have benefitted from this?

  136. Strangemuslimah Says:

    Theres NOTHING to benefit from, umm adam just displays her whole life for everyone to read, if you’re leaving all ur personal info out there for everyone sis, what’s left for you to keep private about urself? im sure if any one of ur daughters was doing this , you wouldnt approve!!,

  137. I Care Says:

    Then why busy yourselves and waste your time reading and commenting on a person’s blog that you obviously don’t benefit from?

  138. Abu Yusuf Says:

    having lived in a christian country for 29 years and 7 years in saudi, I still find it strange that many so called muslims refer this as an Islamic country. Before u waste u r time on any sect or cult i think first u have to become a muslim.

    I trully believe that u will find not find Islam in Saudi or any middle east country for that matter.

    Is Islam is defined as “a way of life” then u will find it in most western civilization or christian countries who practice Islam in their constitutions, human rights, basic human rights and as a result Allah has chosen them to lead the world in all fields like medicine and science.

    We on the other hand are Good slave traders, if u are looking for slaves u can find them here. They will work for you for 18 years without salary, you can mistreat them as much as u want and the state will protect you. They cant run away because u hold their passports, and even if they have their passports they still need exit visa which u can deny them.

    Surely these might be the salafee or wahabi or whatever u call it. But please do come and enjoy free slaves from Indonesia, phillipines, etc.

  139. ummadam Says:

    ^Lies…all lies!

  140. Abu Yusuf Says:

    http://hrw.org/reports/2004/saudi0704/6.htm

    check out the human report on slavery.I am sure that u know we muslims in saudi still practice slavery. We should be proud at it. At least we only good at one thing. Oh the other is .. mm well u know ..

  141. al-boriqee Says:

    yes there is something to benefit from.

    you see the blog was never meant to do anything except expose a mentality prevelant within western hizbi type salafis, that being that they’ll make tabd’ee of a country in which the majority amount of its citezens are nothing but salafi.
    That was the whole point, to expose the idiocy of their thinking, as well as to show the stark reality between how real genuine salfis view salafiyyah, and how Philedelphian salafis view salafiyyah.

    ABu Yusif

    you live in saudi and your an asraani/aqlaani.

    la hawla wala kuwata illa billah

  142. Umm Atiyya Says:

    As Salaamu Alaikum to All;

    I read this blog a while ago and was amazed at the vehemence with which people express themselves about their views on what is/is not, who is/is not salafi. Subhannallah. I won’t go there because I am not learned enough.

    But what is more amazing is that when I went to print it out, thinking I’d just have a few pages to read on the train on the way home, I got OVER 52 PAGES of people ranting and raving. I can understand being passionate about this deen and one’s position on issues, I really can. This deen should be defended strongly to the best of one’s ability and understanding, but also with the best manners.

    What I fail to understand is the amount of backbiting that has been displayed during the 3 months this thread has been running. 3 MONTHS WORTH OF BACKBITING woven into arguing this point and that point. No one is saying you can’t argue your point or argue another’s understanding or misunderstanding of your point. But think of what your hands are sending forth. Every word that is typed will be one that will asked about on Yaum-ul Qiyaum.

    Be passionate, be firm, be expressive! But for the sake of Allah and what will be in your book, be respectful.


  143. as-Salâm ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah,

    you see the blog was never meant to do anything except expose a mentality prevelant within western hizbi type salafis, that being that they’ll make tabd’ee of a country in which the majority amount of its citezens are nothing but salafi.
    That was the whole point, to expose the idiocy of their thinking, as well as to show the stark reality between how real genuine salfis view salafiyyah, and how Philedelphian salafis view salafiyyah.

    Ali, when the commentors post regarding Umm Adam’s “blog”, I think they’re referring to the whole site rather than just one or two of her blog entries. That said, I really think you should let Umm Adam speak for herself here; only she really knows what her blog (i.e., her site) was intended for, which, judging by the variety of posts she’s written and posted, was not merely to expose this prevalent partisan mentality you speak of.

    To Umm Atiyya, may Allah reward you with good for your reminder and advice. I pray Allah allows those who read it (including myself) to benefit from it and keep us mindful of what we say, whether in public or private; âmîn.

  144. al-boriqee Says:

    I was speakign within the bounds of this particuarly entree and notfor the entire blog simply becaue I havent read anything other than that rasheed, and since they siad what they said on this particuarly entree, it would seem apparent that it was this thread that sparked them to say what theysaid and on that premise, I merely interjected a why for their question.

  145. Umm Siddiqah Says:

    Asalamualaikoum
    I’m new to commenting on blogs. I was wondering how I can contact the owner of the blog privately because my name was used in one of the comments and I’d like it removed insha’Allah
    Jazak Allahu khairn
    Asalamualaikoum

  146. Abu Muslim Al Amreeki Says:

    Assalamu alaykum wa rahamtullahi wa barakatuhu
    Bismillah

    Mashallah the things you post are some what correct, and some things that the people reply back they have some good views. But the real main answer to solve the proplem with the Muslims and the understanding of this beatiful Minhaj that, it do not have no error [salafi salih]. Its not about Salafiya because Islam is Salafiya and Salafiya is Islam. The Issue is the People and the lack of knowlege we have. And all the problems Muslims are facing today is because the lack of understanding the deen and practing it and our sins. So if one want to accept this Deen al Islam, which is Dawutu salafiya the way of the salaf, they were people who was upon ilm and actions. Thats the different between them and some of the people today. So we need to focus on being Salafi with ilm and actions. And as our beloved shaykh al Bani rahimallah said we live in the time of Tasfiya wa Tarbiya , Tasfiya from shirk, bidah, culture , jahilya, qumiya. And Tarbiya upon knowledge of the correct understanding of the deen. And acting upon this knowledge and call the people to it. And having sabir in that way.

  147. ukht fi londres Says:

    Asalaamu Alaikum ukhti

    sorry to reply late on this one although I wrote you personally about it was waiting for things to blow over a bit.

    Where I am there is so much of this claiming only a few specific people are upon salafiyyah and anyone who is not personally endorsed by a tiny handful of scholars; or these few specified ‘lay’ people; then they are not only ‘not salafi’ but involved in bid’a and shirk by default. Also if you attend any of the events including fundraisers for disasters in third world countries of anyone not a ‘true salafi’ then you have fallen into ‘deviancy’. Anyway theres a brother here who is considering a co-wife who is living in Philly; but her wali has already decided that anyone from London, period is off the correct aqeedah and ‘not really salafi’! So so sad

  148. Umm Atiyya Says:

    There are SOME (I said SOME) Muslims in Philly with that same issue. Guess you got to come with your salafi passport stamped. (All these “claims” must generate a lot of paperwork for some poor soul in the “claims office.”)

    The manhaj salafiyyah is indeed beautiful, until you beat somebody black and blue with it and end up actually pushing them away from it. The manner in which you approach and advise someone with it is as important as the message itself.

  149. Jaye Says:

    “The manhaj salafiyyah is indeed beautiful, until you beat somebody black and blue with it and end up actually pushing them away from it. The manner in which you approach and advise someone with it is as important as the message itself”

    Never did i hear a truer statement MashaAllah

  150. Abdullah Says:

    The problem in Philly is that we were taught some incorrect manhaj stuff, particularly when it comes to jarh wa ta’deel. Most of this incorrect knowledge was taught by people from one particular Masjid. What we have since learned is that jarh wa ta’deel is an exclusive province of the major scholars. Unfortunately, no one has admitted this error, so you may find some people who are still upon this way.

    The title “Student of Knowledge” is a term that is grossly misused in America and elsewhere. Generally speaking, we’re all students of knowledge to a degree. But what body of knowledge do American “students” who are at the base level of embarking on the quest to seek knowledge, master that gives them a higher status over others? Somebody goes to Islaamic University and drops out after a year, or one of the schools or camps in Yemen, or sits with someone nobody’s ever heard of in Egypt; and they come back home and act the they’re shaykhul Islaam.

    There are people at this elementary level of seeking knowledge that have evil in their hearts, hence you have the ugly situation we now witness, where they’re playing scholars against one another. You have people who have the ear of Shayky Wasiullaah Abbas, against people who have shaykh Ubayd’s ear; and they pit these scholars against one another to act as mercenaries fighting their battles, or promoting their hidden agendas–who’s foundation is that they have a disease in their hearts. Remember: there is only a small group of people who have the ability or the connections necessary to communicate with the scholars in the first place, so this fitnah can not be coming from the majority of people. People are playing games with the scholars to the point that they are measured in their responses to questions, and are sick of dealing with our nonsense. These people are ruining it for everyone because many of the scholars are beginning to dislike taking calls from the U.S. (the U.K., France etc)

    O Allaah, please protect our scholars from the fitan caused by those who’s hearts are tainted with evil…Allaahumma Aameen.

  151. Umm Atiyya Says:

    Well said! Glad you didn’t characterize everyone the same way.

  152. Umm Thalathah Says:

    As salamu alaykum,

    I am a salafi, because I love Allah, His Messenger,sal Allahu alayhi wa salam, the salaf us saleh, all the salafi ulema and anyone who supports this dawa and its TRUE beauty,striving to emulate it. I do not learn from known hizbees,and will not support them nor will I advise others to learn from them. Rather I advise them not to learn from such people. That being said, I do NOT keep these peoples’ names(hizbi,devient) in my mouth all day, rushing at any chance to humiliate them. I ask Allah to guide them to the tawba and reactification of their errors,amin. Yes I make dua for Allah to guide my hizbi brothers & sisters to true salafiyyah. I also give the salam and return it to them. If I must return the salam(not initiate) to a kaafir, then surely my brother has more right to it,regardless of his sinning. His account is with Allah. I am not going to take such people as friends,but I will not base my life’s work on establishing campaigns against them. That is for the ulema to refute them,and they’ve done their job, khalas!

    As for these so-called salafies. I live in a salafi community,unhappily be it as it may. Many of the people do not adhere to all the beautiful ilm our ulema work so hard to spread. They are only salafi because its popular to do, they needed to be with the “in crowd” as kaafirs and they keep that garbage mentality as muslims.
    They claim to love the ulema but disobey them, inturn disobeying Allah. For example the issue with poligyny, these bums marry women they can NOT care for,and forget at how Shaykh Yahya al Hajuri,hafidhullah, laughed at them when they asked about men who marry women on welfare, saying “you want to marry multiple wives and have the government do YOUR job?” yet these fake salafies believe its OK, their shameless wives even look for “sec8 co-wives” for their broke, bum husbands to marry! Another issue is the ruling regarding the children of zina, which is they have no fathers,they are their mothers children and have no rights from whoever committed zina with the mother. The ulema are in agreement due to numerous ahadeth to support this, including the Shaykh Ubayd, Waseeullah(his ruling on bakkah.net ran by Moosa Richardson) and other major ulema. Yet they claim these children or the adults claim fathers that are not theirs due to their mothers’ zina. We find sisters goign to the kaafir to seek haram money form brothers that they NEVER married to unjustly support their zina babies, even lying and having the brothers passports siezed and leaving his wife & kids without. Don’t they care that the one who takes what is not his will have 7 earths tied around his neck in the hereafter?? DOn’t they care that whoever claims family that is HARAM to claim, will be in the fire and his deeds invalid? When you remind them of the ruling and statements from our beloved ulema,they look at you like YOU are wrong!!!
    Also, the issue of ,marrying the adulterer/fornicator, they hate to embrace that. Subhana Allah, Shaykh Ubayd ripped a brother in a live talk in 5/2006, saying the marriage of the fornicators is haram and if done is invalid,until they repent and wait the iddah to assure there is NO baby, and if there is they must stay clear of eachother until the birth and the child is still NOT the man’s who committed adultery with the mom, but they can marry ONLY after these conditions are met. Yet, everyday we find some lip service new shahadah running to get married to her muslim boyfriend, may times they were shacking up the morning of this invalid union! Yaa Rabbi, some of these imams,’salafi’, even marry people to cover up zina pregancy!!!
    All this is haram, all this has been made clear by the ulema, Shaykh Ubayd & Rabee included, Allah preserve them all,ameen!. Even the issue of “clear & unclear salafies” Shaykh Rabee’ ripped them about doing this and being mean to the common people and casting them out of the manhaj,without FIRST investigating the manner and advising them, he even said BE PATIENT in advising them, “indeed most of them want good”. Find that on madeenah.com. Yet they forget those statements, they distort the ulema’s statements, and even lie when seeking fatwa,to achieve their answer then make it look like our ulema approve of their filth. Like the fatwa saying the Bloods gangs members are muslim, WHY did they NOT ask Shaykh Ubayd or RAbee, or Fawzan, or Luhaydan about them??? Why because if these great scholars would have been told of the gangs doctrine, that their law is above all laws,including Allah’s and that they believe it is OK to kill muslims and rape & steal, then surely they would deem these nasty cowards(bloods) kaafirs.
    No they asked a student of a scholar who very likely was not told the whole story, but subhana Allah at least now these “salafies’” sons can still be called muslim.
    Also, the ruling they obtained saying its Ok to let the nation of KUFR, in the prayer lines!!!! Saying it can cause legal trouble, NO IT CAN NOT. Subhana Allah some of these fools will unjustly assume a muslima has her period and is STILL praying,and are quick to be on ‘mense patrol’ but they are fien with some dirty,filthy non-stinga making kaafir who prays to fake God’s slanders our prophets, peace upon them, and has no problem praying on menses, in janaba because they don’t perform ghusl and make fun of istinga??? Subhana Allah they would not allow the KKK to pray with us nor would they allow the arian nation, why these racist kaafirs??? We can’t go up in a church and do what we like, why let these filthy heathens in?? I mena yes for dawa but stay the heck of the musala and OUT of our prayer lines!!! BY LAW, in this place called america,We have a right to turn away ANYONE in our masajid this is contrary to our beliefs. The constitution protects that,so where is the legal issue??
    These racist jerks turn away whites, why can’t we turn away those who vehemently make fun of us and our ulema,and call Umm Isa Maryam, radi Allahu anha a whore and say Isa, alayhi salam was killed????!!! I personally have heard this mess form them,and thats not the worst of it.
    Or the fatwa some idiot obtained stating its OK for a man to marry a lady known to have an STD,and NOT tell his wife, and NOT tell any consecutive wives???!!! Please this is not the fault of our ulema, these servants to their desires from the west LIE when asking questions, they are not clear in stating the situation, and this how these rulings are obtained.
    Subhana Allah some ulema REFUSE to take calls from the west,because of this.
    So it is NOT salafiyyah. I am a salafi and in shaa Allah will DIE a salafi. These ingorant desire chasers do NOT represent me or any other salafi who is striving to adhere to this perfect manhaj. Let them busy themselves with their filth, worrying about this one and that one. I can not worry about them or what they think of me and my family. I have a family to raise upon the correct manhaj & hijra I am striving to make to get OUT of this wretched amrika,far from these people who make this beautiful thing look so bad.
    I have sons who need to learn how to be responsible men, and not coward skirt chasing freeloaders and I have a daughter who needs to learn to be an obedient and loving wife and mother while still mainting her dignity and NEVER giving up her rights for some “halal lovin’, never becoming a “YES woman”, who lets her husband do as he pleases,as long he does not step on her toes. I have to rectify my ownself and aid my husband in doing the same.
    So, I have no time for these people. Nor do I have time to refute them, or spend time on their groups worrying about their gossip & slander. I do NOT join their groups,first of all they are crazy if I am going to give them that much information about me & mine, because they do not hold the privacy of the muslim as sacred. Unless I am getting a stimulus check, they can hang that up! Some of those idiots put my life & children in danger spreading their filth, so I am in no rush to be on their groups. They post what they like anyway. Pick & choose which part of the sunnah,and will post contrary rulings given by famous daiee,evn though ulema say otherwise. No benefit.

    They need to fear Allah and make those groups ILM ONLY and make it public, that way NO ONE who wants to learn is excluded,there should be NO advise seeking of personal affairs or NO posting that is NOT ilm based, make a special group for that and make that private. The ulema did advise them of this, many still don’t listen(some did listen).
    Alhamdulilah for all the sites that have beneficial ilm for us ALL to read & listen too. Even salafi talk, I take whats good and don’t bother with the emotional rants some post,which are obviously personal. Like one who called Shaykh Jibreen a ‘ahkam Bastrad” wow he learned a new word now he wants to call this man’s mother a whore! Its more likely that his amriki butt is a bastard because statitcs show that, none the less he had no right to say it even if the shaykh was, its not the child’s sin. Maa shaa Allah one brother called him on it, ONE simple,non-daiee brother, admonished him about abusing that man’s mother. May Allah reward him for that. He told him, fine he’s a devient but the rest is uncalled for and slander, you do NOt know his mother,to call that lady a whore.
    I guess I am done, sorry for the rant but reading these comments annoyed me. Lets not do what shaytan wants, we must ascribe to salafiyya,and that is not in a name tag. However, we can still be salafi and disapprove of this behavior. We should gather the proof and fight just as hard as they do to make it look bad, to honor this manhaj and show its true light. Leaving the manhaj or refusing to ascribe to it in these times is not going to help us, it helps them. They are salafi by name,and salafiyya is NOT the problem it is the truth.
    baraka Allahu feekum! Read through typos,please.

  153. Umm Thalathah Says:

    oh and ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen to the dua asking for Lalah to protect our ulema. These people accuse others of disrespecting the ulema and do not see how they themselves dishonor them. Sick,sick,sick…….

  154. sunspots1 Says:

    I know I am jumping in here….but you know what is a trip. That the hardest fought salafees weren’t crazy religious people before Islam. It is the strangest phenomenon. A shaykh and good friend of mine told me that the salafees (the ‘ra ra sis boom ba, I’ma salafee and your not, look at your pants look at your shirt!” Salafees) look the same all over the world,and that as I travel I will easily notice them. He was not saying this as compliment, nor as a fortification of “strangers” hadith; rather, as they are the most suspicious, poorly people. And that is the same all over.

  155. Abdullah Al Saeed Says:

    This is a complicated issue. These are my thoughts concerning this. I am a 16 year old Arab Muslim that wants to go to Saudiyyah

    In my opinion, the word “Muslim” cannot be used to define a single people. The Shia and the Sufis who commit acts of Shirk and Bid’ah and divide the Ummah call themselves Muslim. Even the Ahmadis/Qadiyanis call themselves Muslim. There are Shia and Sufis who say “stupid Wahhabis”! I always ask them who they mean by “Wahhabi”, and I think they might mean Salafis. I think a Salafi is a person who, in their Deen, follows the Quran and the Sunnah, avoid Bid’ah and Shirk, and do not blindly follow any Scholars. And that Salafis ally themselves with Muhammad Bin Abdulwahhab, and reject the Ottoman Empire. I think some people take this too far. There are really not much differences between us and other Muslims. I think the real differences between Muslims lie in culture, language, and race. I am not racist, by the way.

    Maybe part of the problem might lie in this example:

    Turkish and Persian culture is very different from Arab Culture, and most Shia are Persian and Sufis have Turkish influence. Many (not all) Muslims in Pakistan have these Turkish/Persian influences, so a Pakistani Muslim who declares himself a Hanafi or Barelvi might see a Saudi, how he dresses differently and does not practice the Sufi rituals, and is just different, belonging to a different society, and call him a “Najdi Wahhabi”. Maybe this “anti-Wahhabism” comes from racial hatred against Arabs. I dont know, its just a theory I have.

    And in the West, I think Islam is being taken the wrong way by so many Muslims. The “Salafi Circles” of the West are more like clubs. I think some people use these “clubs” as a way to make themselves feel superior to everyone else. And I see a similar pattern in Sufi circles, and how they criticize and sometimes even declare takfir on “the Wahhabis”.
    I used to study my Deen of Islam a lot more, to the point of being a little “obssessive”, but now I have learned to balance Deen and Dunyah without neglecting my religion, but many of my friends say I am still as “devout and strict.”

    (By the way, I am 16 years old of Saudi heritage, and I am Muslim and I want to go to Saudiyyah. I love my culture and I wear Thobe/Ghutrah/Aghal most of the time, and I love Bedouin things, too.)

  156. ummadam Says:

    Subhanallah! As Salaamu Alaykum Abdullah! Masha’Allah! I loved your comment. 16 years old…masha’Allah. I would love to meet your mother.

  157. Abdullah Al Saeed Says:

    Wa Alaikum As Salam, Umm Adam!

  158. Abul Qayyim Says:

    as salaamu alaikum

    great read

  159. alboriqee Says:

    Asalamu Alaikum

    a lot has been said. However I beleive that the true essence of my message and others who opined to what I have stated therein (of course with some variations, not a total agreement), the main gist of this reality is what i had posted here
    http://islamthought.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/a-true-student-of-knowledge-a-response-to-the-extreme-super-salafis/

    please review all three videos. what was stated in the last video was supremely worded perfectly in this brothers description of the gangsta style wannabi salafis when he comments on how a couple of them went to travel to seek ilm an-nafi

    asalamu alaikum


  160. AsSalaamu Alaikum,

    Alhamdulillah, a very interesting post.


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